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It works as intended – after getting my second shot, I got Covid.
It could be that without the vaccine, I would have gotten Covid anyhow, since they did recently install a 5g tower a couple of blocks away, but it is what it is.
A question for all the CR experts:
Is it too late to take Ivermectin now, and how does the infertily rate of 85% hold up for people taking it with Covid vs. as a prophylaxis?
TIA
Oh, and b”H no need to say Tehillim, I’m feeling great; thanks for asking.
I don’t know which direction the sarcasm is going or coming. But for those questioning, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you completely from getting COVID. It helps to prevent it, helps to prevent you from spreading it, and helps to prevent you from getting sick from it. Most fully vaccinated people only know they have COVID because they took a mandatory test, not because they felt sick.
The parallel question necessary when asking the titled question is what are the risks of taking the vaccine.
The honest answer is that all the the risks aren’t yet known.
DY -“It works as intended – after getting my second shot, I got Covid.”
I hope no one believes you, because the Anti-Vaxxers are clinging to any excuse Not to get Vaccinated!
According to VP Pence, you can’t talk to the American people, like Biden did.I miss those days when we had Real leaders.
BTW, even after 2 Covid vaccines, it takes a while for the Antibodies to build up.
But I didn’t miss your sarcasm.All the studies released thusfar, both in the U.S. and EY, seem to confirm that those vaccinated have materially lower rates of infection, hospitalization and death than those unvaccinated. The rates and intensityof side-effects, albeit based on very short-term results, also clearly support the notion that risks are lower with vaccination. No one claims the vaccine totally prevents Covid but the few studies of breakthrough cases show that the large percentage of those infected were either asymptomatic or had only mild symptoms.
For those CR participants still in denial, hoping not to see your photo with a candle in the background on the News page.gIt seems to me a side effect of the vaccine is becoming a troll.
Or was that the covid? 🤔
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“death is a common side effect, as well as serious mental and physical issues in some”
Actually, it is very uncommon in unvaccinated young healthy people. It is also very uncommon in unvaccinated people who previously recovered from COVID-19.
In the news, see:
“Not uncommon to get it again”
It’s not uncommon for vaccinated people to get Covid.
“vaccines have been proven to further reduce illness in recovered Covid patients.”
Booster shots have also been proven to further reduce illness in the vaccinated. Yet very few people got booster shots.
DY -“Health: According to an antibodies test I took, I had strong spike protein antibodies levels”
Well maybe you got the Delta variant.
The vaccines help with this variant – because it produces Antibodies that directly attack the Covid 19 Virus.Refuah Shleima. Common sense advice – lead healthy lifestyle after that and do an overall medical checkup.
I am not sure why we are still debating pro- and against vaccines. Historical hesitancy of vaccines and greater caution in testing is due to unbalanced risks – vaccine given to whole population v. a small chance of getting sick. For example, there were 15K polio cases a YEAR in US in 1950s for 150M population. Currently, we have 80K hospital admissions per WEEK for just 2x higher population.
Thus, given a high chance of exposure to the virus for anyone who is mixing up with the public, the chance of having a virus is at best 5x lower than 100% exposure to the vaccine. Then, as already mentioned, you ismply compare risk from wild or created virus v. risk from a vaccine that was made to help, and it is obvious that vaccine risk is less. It is like comparing risk of infection v. antibiotics., or bullet and surgery.
P.S. I believe most people should get the vaccine. Since most people aren’t young and healthy or recovered from Covid.
P.P.S. It is extremely rare for a recovered Covid patient to get a severe case of Covid. Having recovered from Covid is for all practical purposes virtually at least as good as having been vaccinated.
P.P.P.S. The Biden Administration politicized the vaccination program by pushing it stronger than acceptable. By forcing recovered Covid patients and forcing children (!!!) to get the vaccine.
Even 12 year olds aren’t young enough for Biden. He’s pressuring the FDA to approve the vaccine for little kids, whose risk is minimal. (And the vaccine itself contains risks, especially for kids.)
ujm,
“P.P.S. It is extremely rare for a recovered Covid patient to get a severe case of Covid. Having recovered from Covid is for all practical purposes virtually at least as good as having been vaccinated.”
Not that rare, and I have seen reinfected patients that are not doing well, despite having had a bad case of Covid in the last.
2scents: Any more prevalent than a vaccinated individual who became infected and isn’t doing well?
“In Eretz Yisroel it’s common. If the evidence holds up for its benefit, it will become common here.”
In the UK it’s common for recovered Covid patients to skip the vaccine. Because evidence demonstrates they don’t need it.
I’m not really part of the debate being that I know nothing about medicine i got vaccinated because my rabonim told me to
I just wanted to say that I got covid after two phizer shots and I was pretty sick and so was my wife so I dont know where the info that people who were vaccinated dont feel covid is from, but it should be checkedIf one read the “fine print” from the CDC and the manufacturers when they announce the vaccine, you would have known that they never claimed it would make you immune from Covid19, not would it prevent vaccinated people from spreading. They claimed only that it would the chance of a vaccinated individual becoming seriously ill (which combined with the fact the very few people who get Covid19 actually become seriously ill to begin with, would make a vaccinated individual would be very unlikely to become severely ill).
The politicians, mass media (including social media), and people who “talking points” rather than long articles to read, ERRONEOUSLY assumed the vaccinated for Covid19 was like more familiar vaccine (total immunity including being unable to spread the disease).
“Does it still lower the total risk?”
For mild Covid, yes. For serious Covid there’s no evidence that it does (for recovered patients.)
@always_ask_questions That should be a pashut answer. If you say that getting the virus is 5 times less likely than getting the vaccine, then the vaccine should be dangerous to at least 5 times as many people as the virus.
We know that it’s not true. The likelihood of someone getting dangerously ill from the vaccine (or passing on a dangerous illness to someone else) is at the worst most pessimistic estimates about a thousand times less likely than getting dangerously ill from COVID (or passing on COVID to someone who will get dangerously ill.
So everyone get vaccinated! At the very worst, it’s 200 times safer than potentially getting COVID!
What is the likelihood of an unvaccinated healthy person getting a severe case of Covid?
DY -“I probably did get the Delta varient. Even though I got two doses of Moderna.”
So is this a contradiction to my post or you didn’t understand it or you agree with me?!?
UJM -“The Biden Administration politicized the vaccination program by pushing it stronger than acceptable. By forcing recovered Covid patients and forcing children (!!!) to get the vaccine.”
Who Cares?!?
That’s like Saying Castro did something to the Cuban people.
We are Not a Free country anymore!
Go listen to VP Pence on the way Biden & Co. are talking about the vaccines.@ujm Right now? Pretty likely. Especially if they hadn’t had COVID in over a year and they are in a place with low vaccination rates and don’t socially distance.
Remember that Phase 3 trials measured vaccine effectiveness v placebo – assuming same behavior. In real life, most people relax their behavior after taking a vaccine, like a good ice cream after a diet …
And when you now have a mass of people who congregate together with the vaccine, then they used zechuyot from the vaccine to reduce distance between themselves rather than to be safer.
Ironically, masks seem to lead to higher SD: people see masks and then behave accordingly. But when people see vaccinated people, they do not know vaccination status, leaading to lower SD.
This is a good illustration of Jewish symbolism that reminds us of proper behavior – mezuzah, tzitzis, shtreimel … on the opposite side, this is like good/bad neighbor from pirkei avos – your risk depends on the neighbors.
Yseribus: “@ujm Right now? Pretty likely. Especially if they hadn’t had COVID in over a year and they are in a place with low vaccination rates and don’t socially distance.”
If it was “pretty likely” that all unvaccinated healthy people will get a severe case of Covid, then all of America’s Emergency Rooms should today be overfilled at 25 times their capacities.
Obviously it is not pretty likely that a random unvaccinated person will get a severe case of Covid.
@ujm If someone hadn’t had COVID in a year, is unvaccinated, doesn’t socially distance, and lives in a place where many others are in similar situations, there’s something like a 30% chance they will get COVID over the next six months. That’s pretty likely. It doesn’t fill up the ERs because it’s not like all of them catch COVID at the same time.
Yseribus: About 46% of Americans aren’t fully vaccinated. About 35% of Americans aren’t vaccinated at all. That’s well over a hundred million people. If they’re very likely to get severe Covid, you should have had 50,000,000 Americans hospitalized from Covid, using your 30% over 6 months figure. That isn’t even close to the case, even over time.
“Also because their cases are generally more mild.”
That’s, essentially, the point. I’ve been specifically referring to severe cases, which the vaccine is designed to minimize. Mild cases occur often even with the vaccine.
can we do some research on our own here? can I ask people post what was the source and the path to the information they are posting? This well help us understand what our sources are and what biases and influences are. We always do it in Jewish discussion, and we know well differences between Amoraim and Tannaim, etc.
For example, my recent claim ” masks seem to lead to higher SD” is from a research paper that I read in full, found it by a reference from a news site.
@ujm There’s about 20,000 hospitalizations daily in the US, of which 19,000 of which are unvaccinated. Over six months, that will be something like three million hospitalizations. Not the pessimistic numbers I quoted, but still unbelievably high.
Please get vaccinated for your sake and for the sake of the people around you.
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