Reply To: Ahavas Yisrael for those in YU/the MO community (Ask me anything)

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maskildoresh
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At the risk of wasting my time I’d like to make 3 points.

1. Love love love for all Jews doesn’t mean that wrongdoing is ok or that errors in Halacha and Shitta are ok. It means we love those who commit those Chattaim no matter what. Doesn’t mean we can’t or shouldn’t focus on something wrong. The twaddle about how if everyone would only love each other more wonderful things would happen is nice, but doesn’t address most of the actual points Avira made.

2. There’s a fundamental difference between human weakness and error and a philosophy that condones such. For example :(this is a MASHOL!). Every single one of us has to improve in Shmura Halashon , Bittul Torah, Tefilla . Creating a philosophy and SYSTEM that would say that Lashon Haro is ok on Tuesdays, Fridays, and Sundays , or that it’s ok to have “Days off “ from Davening is Kefira. Please apply the Mashol intelligently.

3. Addressing very specific points with generalities about divisiveness and Ahavas Yisroel; the importance of respecting others Minhagim , and the various weaknesses in the Yeshiva system is illogical and doesn’t talk to the point. Saying that there are people within the MO system that don’t exhibit these endemic flaws , or who learn a lot and have good middos doesn’t answer the issue either. The incredibly painful point that Avira has put forth is that Modern Orthodoxy has developed a system and philosophy that generally contains elements that are counter to the Torah. Whether there’s any point of this discussion here, or if the coffee too. For that matter , is another question.

I’ll stop here