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Avram in MD
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huju,

“1. Families of 4-8 kids.”

Do you have a problem with this?

“2. Marriage of women before age 22.”

What would you recommend? Living together unmarried for years like secular people do and then throwing a lavish meaningless wedding at age 42 and collect a lot of presents?

“3. Limited post-high school education for women, limiting their employment choices to relatively low-paying jobs.”

I’d recommend checking out the real frum world rather than some Netflix slander.

“4. Yeshiva and kollel for young men.”

Beats going to Party State University and changing your major 15 times before graduating with a BA in English Lit and years of student loan debt after getting harassed in the student union by pro-Palestinian students for being dressed Jewishly.

“5. Yeshiva/bais yaacov education for all children.”

What else would you recommend? Public school?

“6. Expectation of financial support from parents of young married couples into the couples’ early 30’s.”

Some do, some don’t. It’s discussed by individual families.

“I don’t think this model is sustainable.”

I suspect that you don’t like this stereotyped “model”, and the complaints about its economic sustainability are a cover for that.

“I expect that, in the future, frum families will, correctly, cut corners on the “requirements” I described and thereby sustain the frum lifestyle.”

I expect that frum families serving Hashem and being all in all intelligent will, with siyata dishemaya, figure out how to sustain their frum lifestyles without cutting corners on what’s important. We’re even seeing evidence of this to some extent with the mass migration to Florida where there is more support for private school education, more affordable housing, lower taxes, etc.

“Many frum families do it now, enabling young men and women to become higher-paying professionals, like physicians, lawyers, accountants, teachers (in public schools)”

You lost me there. Public school teachers are, unfortunately and undeservedly, not high earners like the other professionals you listed. So your strange inclusion of public schools specifically within this list of high earning professions tells me that your agenda is not purely an altruistic concern for the economic well being of your fellow Jews, but rather a desire that they abandon their lifestyle for something more palatable to you. So my question is, what would be more palatable to you?

“If the frum community insists on continuation of the requirements I listed, frum life will be jeopardized. Many frum will go off the derech, others will live with unnecessarily heavy economic burdens. Discuss.”

I think you know little about frum families, I think you are creating a false dilemma between these so-called “requirements” and disaster, and I think your personal distaste for these perceived requirements is limiting your ability to see other potential solutions. Discuss.