Israel – acting rashly?

Shooting hundreds of rockets at Israeli civilians isn’t provocative? 🤔

Truth?! You are a liar. I don’t believe your claim to have supported Israeli action in the past, because what’s happening now is no different from any other time. There are no Israeli “provocations”, and Israeli police are NOT “overly aggressive and violent”. On the contrary, as usual they are overly restrained and merciful, which the Arabs see as weakness and it encourages them to more violence. The only time they are overly aggressive is when Jews respond with counter-violence, just as Etzel did in the 1930s and 40s; THEN they become violent.

“Am I only seeing half the story?”-yes. That simple. You watch some mainstream videos its pretty hard to think the palestinians are wrong, but it’s simply half the story.

No Israel isn’t acting rashly enough. They should cut electricity and water to all Arabs

I want to give my two cents.

One- this is a correction(like “stock correction”) being that trump was extremely pro-Israeli, this is a fallout of that. Meaning if he had won then there wouldn’t be this violence. But as he “poked the bear” so to speak and then lost… so the world and in this case the situation in Israel is reacting.
Secondly from what I saw this began on TikTok with Arabs attacking chareidim. during for views then the reaction with a settlers March near shar shchem and then escalated from there.
It’s so stupid that this was basically caused by some kids trying to make a meme or get views.
And I have to wonder TikTok being owned by China if there is an aspect of them promoting videos that will create anger and chaos. For example it hasn’t popped up on my screen any videos of protests in Hong Kong?

You want the story?

Har Habayis: Leave the Halachic question of whether or not Jews should be going to Har Habayis. If Israel had a neighbourhood in the country where Palestinians were forbidden from going, it would be an international outrage. The Palestinians stockpiled rocks and stones to throw at police (something which the police are concerned that their intelligence didn’t manage to uncover in time). Whatever you saw, was the aftermath of the Palestinians throwing big rocks at Israelis, attempting to kill.

Shimon Hatzadik: There were some properties in neighbouring Sheikh Jarrah. Arabs stole the land but according to a court ruling, they were paying rent. They stopped paying rent so the Israeli court ordered evictions. AOC and her friends got involved and cried that the evil Israelis are trying to evict poor Palestinian children from their homes. In my opinion, that gave the Pales the green light to start attacking Jews who live by Shimon Hatzadik. They attacked the Jews for a month while the police did nothing (because the police don’t want to escalate tensions which were already pretty high). Last week, the Palestinians set a car on fire and the Jews felt that their life was in danger. After waiting 40 minutes for Police to show up, and worried for their lives, the Jewish residents of Shimon Hatzadik, took out their guns and that is the footage that you saw. Only then, did the police show up.

Israeli military acting rashly by throwing random rockets at Gazan buildings: Are you sure you were watching the right footage? The one’s sending random rockets targeting civilians are Hamas. Hamas houses their rockets and military supplies in apartment buildings, hospitals and schools. The IDF warns for hours in advance where they will be sending precise strikes in order to clean out Hamas’s terror supplies. If some old Palestinian grandma decides to stay home, she essentially committed suicide.

Right-wing protests in Palestinian areas: Palestinian teens were randomly beating up Chareidim for the sake of Tiktok fame. In response, far-right extremists protested in Arab areas.

See https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1973281/pelosi-israel-has-the-right-to-defend-itself.html

When here I’m used to at most a two term president, it’s hard not to see Netanyahu as not moving on, 5 elections..

Ari Bennet and Saar would have to be insane to join a coalition with Hamas party ra’am. They have held this election up.

YWN – Shame on you for allowing this thread started by an ignorant leftist soenei yisroel who clearly couldn’t cares less about the truth. You want the truth? Jews are are being murdered by ruthless violent terrorists under the pretext that they have rights to har habayis and Jerusalem and all the rest of our homeland. If we reject EY, we may just not be worthy of it.

RebAvrumi, you are awfully misinformed, ” Israelis are acting rashly by striking back without care, and they’ve already killed many civilians.”-That is simply dead wrong, Hamas intentionally hides behind civilians, Israel issues warnings before they attack civilian areas. Additionally, many of the “civilian deaths” are actually from Hamas fire. Israelis are acting rashly by striking back without care, and they’ve already killed many civilians.

I don’t support protesters. I was just sharing the backstories.

What would you have preferred to be done by Shimon Hatzadik? That they should have sat calmly and not responded until one of their kids were murdered? There are Israeli families who live in that neighbourhood, including my daughter’s classmate. (Today, my daughter came home from school telling me that they could see from the windows of their school that it looked like Kever Shimon Hatzadik was on fire. I don’t think it actually was on fire but the young elementary school kids were convinced that it was). They claimed they were afraid for their lives, which isn’t crazy to believe considering that the Arabs had already set a car on fire.

Those shouting death to Arabs are extremist. We cannot control every extremist. On the other hand, the ones shouting death to Jews are the mainstream Arabs.

I’m not sure what crime truth2power committed by asking. He wanted to agree with Israel. Why can’t he be given the benefit of the doubt, That he only say part of the story? As he himself offered. Maybe having opinions by virtue of questioning and thinking and accepting is considered very wrong on these pages.

I think Ari265 has two brilliant points.

Dear Lost,

I would learn Torah with Chomsky if he was interested. Are you insinuating that Torah is less than Jewish patriotism?

MA -” can you please call Joe or Nancy and ask them if I have the right to kill it?”

Are you kidding?
Of course Not.
That would be Hurting the environment!

The only ones you’re allowed to kill is Jews.
Not just the Arabs/Muslims believe this, but also the Ones who support the Terrorists.
Namely the Leftists, Like the Obama & Biden’s administrations!

C’mon Iran & the Palestinians need the US money for their poor people –
They don’t use it to Terrorize against Anyone!

>You have been constanty complaining that Joe and Nancy are supporting the Arabs, so now you take for granted tbat they do not<

They do support the Arabs, they send them millions of dollars.

The OP is vastly mistaken.
e, false claims have been made that the Israeli laws are unfair because Jews can recover property in the West Bank, but Palestinians can’t recover property in pre-1967 Israel.

While Sheikh Jarrah is home to the American Colony Hotel and the former Orient House of the late Faisal Husseini, it is perhaps best known to Jews for two reasons:

First, in April 1948 Palestinian attackers carried out a horrific massacre in Sheikh Jarrah, killing 78 Jewish doctors, nurses, patients and others, who were in a convoy up to Mt. Scopus and Hadassah Hospital. The massacre was observed by British soldiers, who did nothing to stop it.

Second, the proximity of Sheikh Jarrah to the Tomb of Shimon haTzadik, a prominent Second Temple High Priest. Shimon’s Tomb has been a Jewish pilgrimage site for many hundreds of years, and religious Jews have therefore been eager to buy land and live in the area. In 1876 Jews bought Simon’s Tomb and an adjacent field of 18 dunams from Arab owners. The buyer, a committee of Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews, divided the property. While the Ashkenazi half remained vacant, the Sephardic Jews began building homes on their half, establishing a community that eventually numbered in the hundreds before diminishing in the face of Arab violence in the 1930’s.

Sheikh Jarrah After 1948

During the war invading Jordanian forces took Judea and Samaria, including Sheikh Jarrah and other parts of Jerusalem, and the Jews who survived the fighting had to flee. The Jordanian Custodian of Enemy Property took control of all West Bank property owned by Jews including Jewish buildings and land in Sheikh Jarrah. Incidentally, the Jordanian Custodian also took property of Israeli Arabs in the Jordanian-occupied area, since like Israeli Jews, they were now citizens of an enemy state.

Much of the Jewish land taken by the Jordanian Custodian was transferred to the Jordanian government, which used it, for example, to construct government buildings in East Jerusalem, and to create the Dheisheh Refugee Camp – which is built entirely on Jewish-owned land. In addition, Palestinian refugee camps at Qalandia and Anata were built in part on Jewish land that had been taken by the Custodian. (See Arab Building in Jerusalem: 1967—1997, Israel Kimhi, p48-49, and also, from the leaked Palestine papers, NSU Draft Memo Re: Rights of Jews Within the OPT Acquired pre-1967)

In 1956 the Jordanian Government reached an agreement with UNRWA to use the vacant Ashkenazi land in Sheikh Jarrah to build houses for 28 Palestinian refugee families. Under the scheme the Custodian leased the land to the Jordanian Ministry of Development, and the United Nations (UNRWA) funded the construction. The refugees would agree to give up their refugee assistance and ration cards and would pay nominal rent for a probationary period of three years and three months. Those tenants who lived up to the lease terms would be allowed to sign a long-term lease of 30 years, and after that a further 33 years.

The tenants claim that under a side agreement they received title to their homes after the initial three-year period, but there is no evidence of such an arrangement, which would obviously conflict with the fact that they had to sign a lease.

In any event, there is no evidence that any of the 28 families ever gained title to the homes from Jordan or UNRWA. They were tenants paying rent.

The Situation After 1967

Speaking generally, the Jordanian government purchased, or took by eminent domain, much of the Jewish property held by the Custodian, at which point the property being held in trust for the Jewish owner was replaced by the money gained in the transaction. The property in question was no longer Jewish-owned, and even after 1967 there is no way for the original Jewish owners to regain rights to such property, such as the previously mentioned Dheisheh Refugee Camp and Jordanian government buildings. The Jewish owners were only able to file for compensation from the Israeli Custodian who took over for the Jordanian Custodian.

In contrast to this, the land in Sheikh Jarrah was exceptional as it continued to be held in trust for the Jewish owners by the Jordanian Custodian, and then by the Israeli Custodian after 1967.

Is the Land Really Jewish Owned?

The Jordanian Custodian took the land in Sheikh Jarrah after 1948 because it was Jewish-owned, and in the next 19 years no one in the West Bank or Jordan disputed the fact that it was Jewish-owned land. While in recent years some Palestinians have come forward claiming to be the rightful owners of the land, their silence for so many years, especially when the land was first taken by the Jordanian Custodian, makes their claims extremely dubious, and Israeli courts have consistently found against them.

Israeli Government Not Expelling Anyone

It must be stressed also that this is a civil dispute over ownership rights and rent, and the Israeli government is not a party to the litigation. Over the years some of the Palestinian tenants have been evicted over non-payment of rent, but this is a private rather than a government matter. The Israeli government is not evicting anyone.

Once the Jewish claimants proved their ownership to the Sheikh Jarrah land in court, they also did not try to evict the Palestinian families – they merely informed them they would have to pay rent.

In 1982 the Jewish owners sued the Palestinian tenants for non-payment of rent and the lawyer representing the Palestinian families did not dispute the Jewish ownership of the land. Instead, he worked out a court-sanctioned agreement between the Jewish owners and the Palestinians, under which the families would agree to pay rent and would be considered “protected tenants.” As such, they could not be evicted if they lived up to the lease, including by paying rent, and under certain circumstances their families could inherit their rights to the apartment.

Perhaps under pressure from the PLO, along with monetary inducements, most but not all of the tenants soon renounced the agreement and once again claimed they owned the units and refused to pay rent.

Israel’s Handling of Palestinian Land

Property left behind by Arabs who fled during the fighting in 1948 (ie, absentee property) was turned over Israel’s Custodian of Absentee Property, which sold most of the property to state or related bodies for public purposes, such as housing the hundreds of thousands of Jewish refugees from Arab countries who found refuge in Israel. The Custodian held the value of the property in trust for the registered Arab owner (with adjustments for inflation and interest).

Those registered owners are eligible to file for compensation from the Custodian, but Palestinians were pressured not to make claims, lest that legitimize Israel’s existence and sovereignty. Still, over the years at least 14,692 claims have been filed, claims have been settled with respect to more than 200,000 dunums of land, more than 10,000,000 NIS (New Israeli Shekels) has been paid in compensation, and more than 54,000 dunums of replacement land in Israel has been given in compensation. Israel has followed this generous policy despite the fact that not a single penny of compensation has ever been paid to any of the more than 500,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries, who were forced by the Arab governments to abandon their homes, businesses and savings.

Critics of Israel charging unfairness or “asymmetry” in application of absentee property laws might want to consider that asymmetry first.