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They release criminals into the street
They support Terrorists
They give money to criminal aliens
They allow the most immoral people to run education and health departments
They tax businesses out of existence
They support ANTIFA
This is a short list.“They release criminals into the street.” It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.
“They support Terrorists. ” They killed OBL. They give Israel 12 billion dollars of aid per year.
“They give money to criminal aliens.” They give money back to tax paying citizens.
“They allow the most immoral people to run education and health departments.” Have you read the resume’s of your previous president and your current congressmen?
“They tax businesses out of existence.” Corporate taxes are a historic low.
“They support ANTIFA. ” Nope. Republicans support proud boys and the KKK.
Its short and full of hot air.Neither are right when they go to extremes.
>It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.<
Give us one example please.
>“They support Terrorists. ” They killed OBL. They give Israel 12 billion dollars of aid per year.<
They increased support to the PA, so regardless of any other actions, @lakewhut is correct.
> They give money back to tax paying citizens.<
Logic would suggest that they shouldn’t take their money in the first place. But I guess only the Republicans care about logic.
>“They support ANTIFA. ” Nope. Republicans support proud boys and the KKK.<
KKK? Names please.
how is “they give money back to tax paying citizens” a response to “they give money to criminal aliens”?
Jackk ““They release criminals into the street.” It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.” Ya, its called the justice system, whether or not YOU believe in any given case that he/she is innocent. Compare whats been done to the Antifa/blm rioters, many of which have been repeatedly arrested, after getting released-with how every last “insurrectionist” is getting hunted down from all corners of the globe.
-“They support Terrorists. ” They killed OBL. They give Israel 12 billion dollars of aid per year.” Giving money to Israel isnt a counterargument to giving money to terrorists.
-“Corporate taxes are a historic low.” Was lowered by the Trump administration.
-” Republicans support proud boys and the KKK.” Now THIS is a baseless statement full of hot air. No evidence of this whatsoever. On the other hand, there are democrats, namely Maxine Waters, who are actively calling for antifa/blm to continue rioting if they don’t get the Chauvin verdict they want.On the other hand, I do think that -some- democrats (who many republicans would actually agree with) are right regarding gun control. I think we should increase background checks.
Oh Jackk -“It’s the republicans who release cops who kill innocent civilians.”
Stop with the Lib Lies!
Not one person killed by cops was innocent!
Maybe they shouldn’t have been killed, according to American Laws, but they all were Criminals.
Maybe you libs should promote Torah laws with regards to Breaking the Law?!?The problem with hyperbole is you sound ridiculous. I can just point to S.3370 introduced in the 110th congress and sponsored by Joe Biden which passed the Senate with unanimous consent. I guess either liberals are wrong about everything, which means republicans must have been wrong to, or liberals are not wrong about everything.
As to your specific points, more hyperbole. You take things that are in many cases complex and paint them in the most limited black and white terms as if that somehow makes your point more valid. I guess if running for political office you would win the debate, but in terms of intelligent thought out policy, such an approach is perhaps suitable for a backwards tribe of cavemen who never developed much ability for coherent thought.
@ens when someone says dems are wrong on all issues and you find one that they’re not, it’s not called hyperbole. it’s called slight exaggeration. 2nd, I don’t know details of said bill but if it got unanimous vote then it was likely not an “issue” but naming a street or something. lastly, op didn’t say everything republicans do is right.
Did not seem like “slight” exaggeration if you want to term it that way, rather it seemed like “major, over the top” exaggeration to me.
But I guess, you and lakewhut, get free pass to term things as you like including defining what is an issue. This is not debate, this is simply a bunch of immature grade schoolers yelling and somehow imagining that makes their take on things seem intelligent.
let me get this straight: op says dems aren’t right on any issue and gives a few issues he’s referring to, all something that’s a worthwhile complaint. you proceed to dig something small (so I take it, as you didn’t disclose what its about) up that maybe dems are right about, so apparently op (not sure what he did) and I are immature because I said its not an issue?
Participant,
You haven’t learned already that if you don’t have a counter argument you are מחויב to call the other person names (immature, racist, cult follower)
Ds and Rs can not be “right” or “wrong” – they are representatives of “We the People” – and are simply part of an elaborated mechanism to help the country make collective decisions without shooting at each other and still responsive to domestic and foreign emergencies. It is not generally politician’s fault if he is following through on what he declared publicly. Blame the voters.
@aaq where did the op mention politicians? he mentioned democrat policies which means what the party -which includes those registered as dems .
second to assert that the politician is bound to the will of the people –we’ll give that to you, maybe–but is it right for them to run and be forced to push such agendas?coffee addict – what exactly am I providing a counter-argument to? There was no coherent argument presented to support the title of the comment thread. I guess, if you need a counter-argument, “they” (whomever they are… as if Democrats are of a single mind) overall align with the values of the Torah better then the other side. I think that should meet the intellectual standards of this comment thread.
Do you have a better argument then that?
ENS, what democrat values do you think align with the Torah more? Abortion? Insanely high taxes? The normalization of trangenderism? Frankly the normalization of everything abnormal? Exactly what policy do you feel aligns with the Torah?
tvp – I am sorry, I must have missed the policies listed that Democrats have that don’t align with the Torah. I just saw some nonsensical statements, not policies.
I see no reason to make the effort to offer an exhaustive essay on Democrat values, policies, or whatever it is you seek, when nonsense has only been offered in return. I am actually pretty certain, I can write a 30 page paper on the topic and you would find one minor point to criticize and based on that you would call me a hypocrite and say you proved your point.
So, no. I will not take your bait. Suffice it to say, Democrats are much more right on the issues then Republicans.
To all who asked me questions or argued with me , I respond that all of my comments were GIGANTIC GENERALIZATIONS to counter the GIGANTIC GENERALIZATIONS written by OP.
I only need to make a cogent argument when I am trying to oppose another’s.
OP never made any convincing and compelling reasons for what he wrote.
Just like OP did not provide a single proof or reasoning (and he did this with another topic that he posted a week ago titled “The democratic playbook”) I responded in fashion. ( I responded to that posting also with similar generalizations.)
People post new Topics criticizing the democrats just so that they have the Topic Title recorded for a week, as if the CR is a billboard to the Jewish community for publicizing their ideas and the more advertisements for the republicans the more they win.
I would like to thank EmesNishtSheker for so beautifully expressing his thoughts here which I agree with. I don’t need to repeat them.
When someone shows me that the republicans are the party of the Torah over the democrats without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.
When someone shows me that the republicans are the party of the Torah over the democrats without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.
Um..what?
ENS, thats a sly way of avoiding the question….I’m simply trying to understand how you can say with a straight face that today’s democrat values align in any way shape or form with the Torah. It isn’t their view on abortion, it isn’t their view on transgenderism, it isn’t their view on taxes…so what is it?
tvp – maybe next time offer actual substantive arguments that you wish to debate rather then hurling broad insults and demanding that I or someone else refute them. Nothing sly about it. Just have no interest in getting into a substantive argument with people who just want to find reason to offer insult in turn.
MadeAliyah,
The discussion about the republicans and democrats is not what the Torah says about these issues.
The Torah is not up for discussion or debate.
It is what is the proper Torah view in light of the USA being a free and democratic country with a separation of church and state. It is a country which inherently allows you to practice your religion but does not force religious views on anyone. This is the opposite of the Torah view of the total and absolute authority of Chazal , Batei Din and the King.
Sunday preacher’s views on religion of who is going to olam habah are not our concern.
>The discussion about the republicans and democrats is not what the Torah says about these issues.<
emes-nisht-sheker started the Torah discussion, I thought you liked his thoughts.
>It is what is the proper Torah view in light of the USA being a free and democratic country with a separation of church and state. It is a country which inherently allows you to practice your religion but does not force religious views on anyone. This is the opposite of the Torah view of the total and absolute authority of Chazal , Batei Din and the King.<
You’re 100% right on that and nobody is forcing you how to believe or vote, however a discussion on how a Torah Jew should believe or vote is still valid and necessary.
>Sunday preacher’s views on religion of who is going to olam habah are not our concern.<
>without sounding like a Sunday Preacher (ie Abortion , Gays etc…) I will welcome the conversation.<Um.. @jackk, I don’t mean to offend you, but if I remind you of a “Sunday preacher” when I mention abortions, then we might not be practicing the same religion…
(I personally have have no clue what a “Sunday preacher” sounds like.)ENS, I have no idea what you mean by “hurling broad insults”, I guess i’m not so experianced with “micro-aggression” and all, but all I mean to ask is what policies are there, that democrats support, republicans oppose, that you think align with Torah values.
Jackk, we all know and understand that neither a government run by D’s or R’s will resemble a Torah run government, this conversation is all about policies in which D’s and R’s have DIFFERENT views on.tvp – sorry for your confusion. This topic was started not with a discussion of policies but rather a list of broad insults.
The first one, “They release criminals into the street.” (Well the first one is the title of the conversation thread)
Is this a democratic policy? Is this a republican policy? It is just lazy and insulting. Now you want a list of policies that Democrats support that Republicans oppose that I think align with Torah values, frankly I see no need or reason to provide you with such a list.
In any case the topic is the Democrats are not right on any issues. It is a ridiculous statement that is not worthy of substantive debate.
MadeAliyah,
I never heard a preacher either, but the republican party has a hold on many christians because they have been preached to think as follows, “I always vote Republican because I’m so against abortion.”
Everything else in the world is secondary to them. It is the one and only issue which will get their vote.@jackk, I find it pretty sad to hear you admit that christians put their religion first when voting, yet to jews like you the Torah is of no concern.
But to your point, the notion that christians vote Republican only because of abortions is false.
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