3:45PM EST: 58-year-old Tim Russert, NBC journalist and political heavyweight host of “Meet the Press,” has died after collapsing at NBC’s Washington news bureau, NBC reports.
Russert, started his career in politics where he was former New York Gov. Mario Cuomo’s press secretary and one-time chief of staff to the late Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and then crossed over to political journalism and rise to become one of its leading lights.
Russert, 58, joined NBC News in 1984. He took over the helm of “Meet the Press” in December 1991, according to his biography on the show’s Web site. Russert has interviewed every major figure on the American political scene, his biography said.
Earlier this year, Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world.
The cause of death has not yet been disclosed.
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Apparently it was a heart attack.
Mi Yiten lunu Temiruso
why is “yeshiva world” reporting the death of a television news anchor, was he jewish?
es gait mich ohn, vi ah nechtigen tug!
I like the way the news reporter becomes the news.
a friend of the Jews and of Israel. A good man.
Dont understand it, someone passes a way, he was clearly not a bad man, and people are heartless enough to make sarcastic nasty comments,,,,,,
go figure!
I am absolutely disgusted by some of the comments here. How can it be that when a fine, upstanding, and caring individual dies such comments are the reactions that people have?
Is this what your Bible really teaches? Aren’t you supposed to be a compassionate people attempting to emulate God? Is this how God would respond to any of his creations dying?
Think about it.
13,
we ARE a compassionate people! Please dont write off an entire nation because of a few senseless comments,
I think you should read the positive remarks on this board before making such an irresponsible generalization!
Irrelevant of whether #13 is Jewish or not he is 100% correct and it is a major Chillul Hashem. If Mr. Russert was not an Anti-Semite there is no excuse for any insensitive talk about him. And especially that Mr. Russert was a friend of Jews and Jewish interests we as Jews owe him great hakaras hatov. There are no shortage of Anti- Semitic anchors and if he was good to us there is no excuse in the world for this kind of trash.
Joseph in #2, mbachur in #8, ishbainanoshim in #9, you are all guilty of a Chillul Hashem. Joseph, your comment was the worst. 8&9 were on the stupid side but nonetheless a Chillul Hashem. I call upon you three to immediately rectify your your Chillul Hashem by posting a positive comment about Mr. Russert along with an apology for your thoughtless and senseless words.
If you three don’t meet your Torah obligations about this matter, you are not deserving of any respect.
I do not apologize for being the sheriff as Chazal say Bimakom sheain ish…
8 and 9, don’t forget, there are gentiles who read this service and there are those that know a little yiddish also.
Have a good day,
A simple Jew with the screen name lawrenceyid.
#’s 2,8 and 9:
Please read my posting in #15. I expect and demand that you three do the honorable thing!
to post 13# going west…up to now (post #16) we see only one(post #2)posting that was not appropiate ,we wouldnt call it nasty…so dont think because of that one which not NASTY to judge all “if one man sins on the whole tribe you will ..”(numbers 16 verse 25) so dont be digusted, and buy far and large we are more compassionate ..see how israel fights it wars(too compassionate{insane}) etc, etc, . on the other hand even though we are more compassionate , but far from perfect angels..so final note dont see any comments that one would consider NASTY or that begs compassion..
to #16 see #17.. also why is it “MAJOR” chilil, because it bothers you so much…you say ..”meet your torah obligations ” can you elasborate what “TORAH” obligations…you say “b’mokom sheain ish..” we really dont see where this comes in here.. so mr “MAJOR” chillin hashem nobody posted here anything so geferliche..for you to call MAJOR chilil hashem
My soul bleeds for him. Just joking. He posed as a journalist, but was in fact a democrat operative.
I have a feeling that mr west is a jew, but in any case it doesn’t matter, we just have to be more careful with our words.
Lawrenceyid – I’m not undermining that it might be a chilul Hashem but wouldn’t it be smarter to react by telling mr west that it’s a mistake & most comments ARE positive than to make a whole matzav out of it thereby proving
az es is taka azoi shlecht vee er kikt es oon.. dus ken erger machen…
What is so geferlach with these comments? The guy was a shoita tv man. A bunch of hot air and no more.
Chillul Hashem?? Please don’t make me laugh. NONE of the comments are even CLOSE. Do you even know the meaning of Chillul Hashem?? Read jent1150.
BTW you should throw comment # 1 out with all the others. Another cute comment. Certainly NO Chillul Hashem.
jent1150 :
Your posting to tfgoingwest was full of truth and well intended. However, in his eyes there was not just one disgusting comment but three and he happens to be right. #8 is demonstrating that a gentile who was good to the Jewish Community and who passed away is not even worthy of being mentioned in a jewish publication simply because he was not jewish. Sorry jent1150 but this is disgusting and a solid Chillul Hashem.
Number 9 is even worse:
“es gait mich ohn, vi ah nechtigen tug!
I like the way the news reporter becomes the news.”
The first line in Yiddish was very possibly understood and it demonstrates that the author could not care less about this person who was good to the Jewish Community simply because he was not jewish and it is said in a very disgusting way. The second half is a rather stupid and an unintelligent comment. Both parts are a Chillul Hashem by all standards.
#2 was the worst and does nor require any further explanation.
Your response to him would have been more complete if at the end of your posting to him you would have apologized on behalf of all three comments. Then, your previous words would have been more meaningful to him.
If you are truly in search of truth take this posting of mine to any Gadol and see if they would disagree with me. No Gadol would disagree with even one word which I have stated here.
Chachom in #21
It is crystal clear from your comment that you do not know what a Chillul Hashem is. Don’t let jent1150 be your spiritual guide because he also does not have a clue what Chillul Hashem means.
The following mesorah was transmitted to me by a Gadol and there is no dispute about this by any other Gedolim. This is the universal authentic Hashkofos Hatorah.
1)The main Kiddush and Chillul Hashem is within Klall Yisroel itself as the Pasuk says Viniskadashti besoch bnei Yisroel and Vinischalallti besoch bnei yisroel. As the Gemorah says if one yid says about another yid, how beautiful are the virtuous deeds of that person, this constitutes a Kiddush Hashem. When one yid says about another yid how fortunate are the parents who gave birth to this wonderful person or how fortunate is the Rebby who taught this wonderful person Torah, this constitutes a Kiddush Hashem. When one yid says about another yid how unfortunate are the parents who gave birth to such a person (referring to the person’s misdeeds) or how unfortunate is the Rebby who had such a student (referring to the student’s misdeeds,) this constitutes a Chilull Hashem.
2)The second kind of Kiddush and Chillul Hashem which is secondary but also very important is how the gentiles speak about the Yidden. As we say in Mussaf of Shabbos, Lama yomru hagoyim. When a gentile says how beautiful are the ways of the Jewish people or how upright are the laws of their Torah, this constitutes a Kiddush Hashem. When a gentile takes note of Jewish insensitivity or misbehavior towards gentiles or takes note of a Jew being dishonest, and says what is their Torah worth anyway when they don’t even keep it, this all constitutes a Chillul Hashem.
Please take note that when somebody does something in accordance with the Torah, then it makes no difference what a gentile will say about it. Whatever he thinks or says about the matter does not constitute a Chillul Hashem being that intrinsically the yid is doing the correct thing.
Having said that, the postings of #2, #8, and #9 are all a Chillul Hashem by all standards.
to #22 lawrence yid. our words still stand, your speech didnt change a thing…the gemmorah in yuma 86a does not pertain here..please name your godel so we can ask him how this is “MAJOR” chilil hashem or is it like most who say the magic word “gadol” ,”im rotzai ata ledvoracha lehishama hitla b’ilon gadol”? so #17,#18 still stands..and no we dont have to watch every little word that comes out here it might offend somebody…that sombody hates us no matter “halacha b’yodia sheisof soine l’yakov”…did you ever readon their sites, espesially islams, refer to jews..poster #8 also didnt say anything deragetory about this news man whoever he is (me never heard of him)also this is not a stam “jewish” website ,it is a website for ehrliche yidden the less they hear of de goishe tumeme velt the better (should we qoute a gadol for this shita?)everything you have to qoute from YOUR gadol? ,musser sforim mesilas yeshurim, shevat musser, michtov m’eiliyohu, etc etc are good enough gedolim for us,)
to #23 we think you are more blurry eyed then “crystal clear” and just because you add the words crystal clear to you speech it is far from crystal clear that you know what you are talking about. yes, you qouted the gemmorah in yuma 86a which is not needed to be behanded down from YOUR gadol…but as stated in #17,#18, this is far from..is that CRYSSTAL CLEAR now ..after all if we write the words crystal clear it must automatically be crystal clear..you take fancy words out of mussef “loma yomru hagoim..” where does it come in here ? what is the end of that tfila? “aya elokayhem….” so what are you haking a chainik with what we say in mussef..? “HAVING SAID THIS” (i like this arrogant statement) the posting #2, #8 and #9 are a far cry of chlil hashem…by the way if sammygol gives you his haskama that is mechazek our shita for er nemt zeich eibik unagainst de ehrlicha yidded..now please sammygol heibt nit un tzu veinen…
A short summary if I may:
Nos. 2…….Well, thats Joseph
nos. 8…….’Ignorant’ would be an understatement
nos. 9…….Plain disgusting
nos. 11…… A MASTERPIECE!!
nos 12……..sensitive and diplomatic
nos.13……..first part is acceptable, second part is stereotypic garbage!
nos. 14……..EVEN BETTER THAN 11 IF THATS POSSIBLE
nos 15…….well put
nos. 16…….a bit overbearing
nos.21………his pseudonym, lol! My goodness the courage some people have never ceases to amaze me!
nos. 22 and 23……..refer to 24
lawrenceyid; Shkoich for your dvar torah. You description is correct, but your interpertation of your correct description as you applied it to this situation (the comments above) is incorrect.
It still is NOT a chillul hashem (based on your own description.) Firstly you re relying on the secondary type. And even that is not applicable. Political pundits for what little they are worth are severely criticized in much stronger terms than here by the goyim between themselves. Nothing said here comes even close to some of the criticism Russert and others got by their own competitors and politicians who disliked him (like Hillary and others.)
If a goy saw these comments he would probably figure its pretty mild compared to what he is used to.
Nothing here constitutes a “chillul hashem.” Not even CLOSE.
to #27 did you put a list of your fancy sayings on the wall, threw darts and attach those sayings in numerial order to these postings,in other words, where the first landed you attached it to #2, where the second dart landed you attached it to #8 etc..? because that is as much as it make sense
31……..can you write my next Thesis for me? Its on then English Language!
Jent1150
I am amazed how you have discredited yourself and compromised yourself in numerous ways through your postings to me. Your postings are also bereft of intelligence and also includes incoherent thought which could be detected by any reasonable individual. The underlying issue is that you are not a truthful person and you are not in pursuit of emes in any way. You also say things which are contradictory to the principals of the Torah Hakidosha. Reading your postings also gives me good reason to suspect that you are a fraud on more than one level.
I explained very clearly in #’s 15 and #22 why the said comments constitute a Chillul Hashem. In #23 I explained very clearly the guidelines of Chazal of what constitutes a Kiddush Hashem and what constitutes a Chillul Hashem. I pointed out that there are no disputes in Chazal about these guidelines. I pointed out that it was from a Gadol that I was mekabel the Mesorah that the main Kiddush Hashem and Chillul Hashem is among Klall Yisroel and the secondary Kiddush and Chillul Hashem is as pertains to goyim. The rest which I wrote in #23 was my compilation of quotes which I culled from Chazal which serve as the guidelines of what constitutes Kiddush and Chillul Hashem.
Any reasonable and truthful person who has read my postings would acknowledge that I have been extremely clear and would also acknowledge the correctness of my application. A)You say in #25 and I quote you, “The gemmorah in yuma 86 does not pertain here.” Yet, you give no explanation why is does not apply. Any halfway intelligent person who wants to argue such a point would naturally give a reason as to why it does not apply. You very unintelligently give no reason. You quite obviously know that I speak the truth but you just don’t have the honesty to admit it. B)You further say, “name your gadol so we can ask him how this is a major Chillul Hashem.” You are quite obviously afraid to take me up on my offer which I made to you at the end of #22. I wrote, “If you are truly in search of truth take this posting of mine to any Gadol and see if they would disagree with me. No Gadol would disagree with even one word which I have stated here.” Why are you so afraid to take me up on my offer to go to any Gadol of your choice? You are afraid because you know that I am correct when I say there is no dispute in Chazal about this. You know that I am correct in every solitary word which I have quoted from Chazal and you know that I am 100% correct in my application of Chazal’s words but you just don’t have the intellectual honesty to admit it. C)I made an interesting observation. The comments from chachom also asserts that I am incorrect with a different twist. Chacham acknowledges that “your description is correct but your interpretation of your correct description as you applied it to this situation is incorrect.” But screen name chacham, like you, also very unintelligently provides no reason for his assertion that my application is incorrect. I find it rather interesting that two people making postings on the same subject should both be equally unintelligent by both not providing any reasons for what they are saying. In this vane I find it further amusing that chacham who provides no reason for his words states “Do you even know the meaning of Chillul Hashem? Read jent1150.” Why would Chacham refer me to someone who also provides no explanation for what they are saying. It is clear to me that jent1150 and chacham are one and the same. Shame on you, I caught you with your pants down glued to the floor. You are a fraud! Had you provided some reason why I am incorrect I might have fallen for your creative chacham deception. You gave yourself away big time. I had three other indicators of your deception. D)You very incoherently say in #28 “Firstly you are relying on the secondary type.” Your words are hilarious. What do you mean relying on the secondary type? That is the very subject matter we are speaking about, namely, the Chillul Hashem as pertains to the discusting comments about Mr. Russert who was a gentile which is the secondary Chillul Hashem. E)You very unintelligently ask in #26 “Where does lomo yomru hagoyim which we say in Mussaf come in here?” and you then very incoherently ask “what is the end of that tfila ..aya elokaihem so what are you haking a chainik with what we say in Mussaf?” Amazing!
I had just got through citing that as the source of the secondary Chillul Hashem and of course the words ayay elokaihem is not something separate but a continuation. Where is their G-D is the full expression of the Chillul Hashem! It is amazing how you babble with no thread of thought!! F)Your hashkofas are not in accordance with the Torah. You state in #25 and I quote you “We don’t have to watch every little word that comes out here that might offend somebody” and you go on to say how the “islam sites refers to jews…” You are totally wrong. It makes no difference how goyim speak about us. Our obligation to avoid making a Chillul Hashem is not diminished one bit because of how they act. We are the chosen people and with it comes obligations. It is our utmost obligation to be very careful of what we say.
You said, “If a goy saw these comments he would probably figure it is pretty mild compared to what he is used to.” Again, our obligatioms are not diminished one iota because of low goyishe standards. It’s amazing how you need to be explained these things and how you lack proper hashkofos. Perhaps open up a mussar sefer to see about these obligations which you do not have a clue about. There are three other complete stupidities you came out with but I am so nauseated that I will end here and ignore any further postings of yours on this subject.
You lack honesty on many levels and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself.
to #33 take it easy, didnt know you are so sensitive..looks like we hit a raw nerve…so lets repeat you didnt refute anything we said. that you are oversensitive of what a goy thinks (after these minor shs’beminor unnegetive comments) shows we are right about your haskofos the reyous we refered to your postings throughout you didnt refute (’cause you cant …,) also we can write whole speeches to refute your narishkaiten but we are too busy doing business online (cost me once 1’000’s on trade because wasnt consentating on trade and 2) “al taneh ksil k’uvalto pen tsvah lo..” so if you can give us your address ,can send box of tissues for your sniffels..what should we do ,also engage in ad hominem, it doesnt take much intelligence for that (yours is enough) it doesnt take any intelligence to talk about one intelligence deficiency..(al tane k’sil…)so, young man why dont why dont you take our advise and be moide al huemes..
lawrenceyid – You ought to drop the last 3 characters of your screen name as it is you who is uterly discredited. You have falsely accused 2 unique people of being one and the same. You could have first contacted this sites editor who could easily verify that is not the case. But you chose otherwise due to you faulty logic haven been utterly disproved on a logical and halacha basis. Why not team up with your hashkafic ally sammygol in your joint anti-shulchan orach philosphies?
As stated previously, harshly criticising a hot air baloon for wasting his life on tv self-punditry hardly makes a chillul hashem. You seem opposed to all criticism of goyim. You do not know how to apply the concept of chillul hashem with reality, or when it is apllicable.
To the one and same jent1150-Chacham in #’s 34 & 35:
You are amazing. You still have not refuted what I have said in any way. You are like the little kid who is asked a question and gives the answer “Because.” When the question is posed to the child a second time he repeats the brilliant answer once again “Because.” Your level of intelligence is exactly as that of the little genius. You repeat that I am wrong but you still are not able to say anything intelligent to support your words why I am wrong. Then to cover up for your inability to refute my words you hide behind the baloney that you don’t have the time to refute me because of your online buisness. You are an interesting con artist!
I take note that you are still afraid to take me up on my offer to take the story with all the postings to the Gadol of your choice to see if I am incorrect. There is only one reason you are not doing this and that is because you know that you will be told that I am 100% correct in every word I have said and you simply don’t have the psycological stamina to admit that I am correct.
You lack honesty on many levels and you should be thoroughly ashamed of yourself! You are a discredit to Klall Yisroel!
to #35 yasher koach..maybe take over for me..chab nit kain tzeit tzu sammygol shtusim ..we can make list here of those whos dayous shtimt mit torah in de vos nit..the rule of the game is “oizvay torah yehallelu rasha vshomrei torah yisgeru bom” also “lo b’echinom huloch zarzir eitzel hu’oireif ale mipnay s’ehu nmino”
lawrence – why not take the “teshuva” of sammygol to heart and follow his lead?
Klal Yisroel is always willing to accept anyone, even the worst rusha, in repentance.
Postscript to sammygol: Your teshuva is incomplete with your stereotypical condescension description of your brothers in Brooklyn. Try learning from them. It will be like chicken soup for your soul.
to #38..WE just dont understandyou, why are you ranting and raving about? ou say it chilil hashem go ahead ith you friend sammy,WE say its not chilil hashem and we will act accordingly. every little thing WE have torun to a gadol, to make a shehakol on water WE should also run to a gadol ?this is as simple for US as that.. soyou stick to what your “gadol” sais (youknow, the one WE mentioned “im rotze devorchol’hishama hila b’ilen godol”
to #33..lawrence YID…you say ” ..i explained very CLEARLY why its a chili hashem ” (oy, your scaring ME,(US), you sound like my teacher (1957, wont say which cheder) BUT WE,US EXPLAINED very CRYSAL CLEARly why it is NOT a chilil hashem me think you are in the wrong crystal clear business( how abou trading…..by the way out on those ES contacts at 1555.50 (you can still say WE,US called a friend to fax over his trading sheet.. if it makes you happy..
the lack of derech eretz and middos tovies from “frum” people is appalling this must be the meaning of “tzaddik vera”
(by the way #37 please don`t insult brooklyn people)
to # 3 azi…does one recite “boruch dayen emmes ” in such case..dont know, just asking..anyone can enlighten..but with halchik reyous…
sammygol:
Well done.
Be careful avf, or lawrence of arabia will accuse you and I of being “the one and same” since you agree with me that sammygol needs teshuva for being self-repulsing Jewish (loathing chasidim, Brooklynites, and naively thinking all Jews of Brooklyn are chasidim.) lawrence of arabia has a hard time contemplating that there could be more than one person disagreeing with his chidushim on chillul hashem or other matters. Youd’ve thought he’d have learnt his lesson from his wives (as you know plural marriage still exists where lawrence of arabia came.)
sammygol, I recall you running into conflicts with other Bnei Torah commentators on this site. cherryhillbilly comes to mind. Did you think him and me were the same (# 29) and then reconsidered (# 37)? Do you adore Mister Russert as much as you do those Doctors trying to kill the Jew from Canada?
In # 15 Mr. Arabia criticizes # 8 for alluding to the lack of jewishness of the esteemed mister russert, yet when # 1, a very goulish comment indeed, said essentially the same thing -why thats perfectly alright for his buddy buddy. No “chillul hashems” amongst friends now.
And what a “kiddush hashem” to refer to those thousands of such people walking around Brooklyn where they keep people with funny accents who cannot spell too well (# 37). That wouldn’t by any chance fall into # 23’s category 1 primary chillul hashem, because at least amongst friends one can not be too goulish.
Did your great grandfather have a nice American accent, or did he too go with a funny accent? Or did he have a funny accent like the chasidim from Brooklyn (who you most absolutely, postively, definitely do NOT loath.)
lawrenceyid – what makes u think that jent & chochom are 1 & the same?
They happen to have very different styles of writing- how do they even resemble? would u like if any1 says with a ‘festkeit’ that you & anybody else posting here are the same?
sammy – I live in Brooklyn, I’m chassidish, etc… & I’m an excellent speller!!!
So please don’t stereotype, thanks.
willi, careful now! The Arabs are known to be violently vicous to all who cast doubt upon their assertions! Do not doubt, however incorrect, Arabia’s contentions!
As to goulishness, you are considered to be an introvert from Brooklyn with a funny Yiddish accent who makes Jews look uncoultered. Did you notice that the moment I mentioned the word Chasidim to him, he started raging about “schtick” and “cheats”? Nowhere was this conversation about “schtick” and “cheats”, but the minute he hears Chosid, thats what starts popping into his mind. Yet he swears by his religous books that he doesn’t loath them, (thats how he defends himself). Love thy neighbor isn’t one of his 10 commandments.
sammie, were you supportive of your spouse when he sacked Rome with the other gaul’s? and is that where you became bewitched?
You did call Jent and others names above, yet can’t take the heat when others respond in kind. And the first stupid callous remark about Mister Russert, was the first comment here. Per chance who wrote comment # 1?
sammygoul: I’ve been poking around YW here and the thing that stands out about you is that you seem to constatnly get into contentious squabbles with many different posters here. Do you believe that this is since they must all be “the one and same” schticky cheats from Brooklyn where they keep people with funny accents who cannot spell too well, that maybe seperate but definitly are not unique (# 37, only you coultered people are unique). You usually take a position to the left of the your opponents view of the Torah, but forget what side you take-why is it so contentious with you?