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The new world order is getting more and more obvious by the day. America will soon adopt the vaccine passport system which ousts the unvaccinated out of society. This has nothing to do with the virus anymore and too many people are going along with it.
There are many people who are up to date with vaccines but do not wish to trust an untested vaccine. They are not anti vaxxers.
What will become of the world and when will enough be enough? The elite governments are trying to take full control over the people and the world. These are times of revolution there is no doubt anymore. As much of a liberal as you can be, do you understand the dangers that we as humanity face if we keep going along with everything they force upon us? Humanity itself is in danger.
Still think this is all for your safety? Do you still believe in the greater good?Anti-vaxxers have been saying this all along. Now people are starting to understand..
If what you’re saying in your first paragraph is true, Baruch Hashem for that! I hope soon we can all adopt some measure of immunity passports, so we no longer have to fear spreading COVID by getting on to a plane, or attending a large simcha, and slowly but surely return to 100% how life was before 2020.
I’m not sure why anyone still insists on making vaccines, masks, etc. a issue of political correctness. The predominant position is that the vaccines are as safe as any other vaccines, perhaps more so. Legally, employers can require vaccination once there is ample supply and schools can exclude those w/o vaccination (and some have already done so except for those with legit medical reasons and where they make reasonable accommodation). You are free to not get vaccinated but don’t expect others to willingly tolerate behavior that may put them at risk.
What utter nonsense.
Israel has the vaccine passport system in place for a while already.
The only affect it has had, is that grandparents are now able to go to their Eineklachs Chasunas.
How dangerous and awful.GH: Legally, employers can require vaccination
It seems that this is true only if the employer has a serious justification due to work conditions. If you have employees that require “ordering”, I suggest having an alternative like working from home, working in a segregated area, or having regular testing. Thi is lot a legal advice, consult your local lawyer first.
@rightwriter
Do you believe Bill Gates wants people vaccinated as a part of a larger plot to control minds and populations?Rightwriter -“How is it resurfacing when so many people have antibodies or are vaccinated? What am I missing here?”
You’re missing basic Scientific Knowledge.
Don’t worry – there are thousands like you on the net.“Aside for the fact that for some it isn’t even safe short term as in they suffered bad side effects or even death.”
Even if this statement is true, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t Vax.
Medicine is based on what’s best for the patient.
Good vs. maybe good.
Sometimes it doesn’t work out for e/o.They are right now working on a cure for Covid-19.
Vaccination is a Stop -gap measure!This is what happens when You don’t have Basic Secular Education!
Htwriter,
What you are to the corona passports is what “antivaxers” are to tye measles passports.You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different.
You didn’t stand up for those who did not want to force the measles vaccine. Now you are here, getting the very same logic of safety and science etc.
It is same world order that was forcing the measles vaccine as the corona vaccine. They are a few steps ahead now. The public is ready for the next phase of propoganda and fear mongering.
Just look at the comments you are getting here. But I think it just reflects on YWN readership, not the general public opinion.
Mindful > just reflects on YWN readership, not the general public opinion.
general public opinion according to Census survey – 8% def not take, 9% prob not take, total decrease by 5% in two months, with most hesitant being: black, young, and from Alabama, not necessarily all together (and “some say” – Trump voters, to quote a famous gemora about Talmidei Chachamim from Bavel). Mindful, let me know if these numbers mean anything. I brought you before numbers about high death rate in Lakewood, but I did not see whether this helped you or not.
Mindful -“You think this is different because you are scared on corona vaccine, and not measles vaccine. But its not different.”
I don’t know if you’re talking to me, but these diseases are making a comeback because of the AntiVaxxers!
These diseases are life-threatening, in some cases.
If you hate getting a Shot, stay in your own house, but don’t mingle with other Humans that care about their Lives!
BTW, it’s also in the Torah.
And you don’t know better than many Scientists.
Even if you have a few that promote this Crazy Conspiracy!Rightwriter -“Health why don’t they first work on a flu cure or a cure for all other viruses and ailments?”
They actually have 4 treatments for the Flu. And already 2 doesn’t work anymore.
Stop proving that you just believe in Conspiracy theories, but have No actual Scientific Knowledge!
The reason they push Vaccines is because it’s easier to develop than any treatment or cure.“Even if that maybe good or what’s best for the patient equates to death.”
Stop with the Scare Tatics – You sound like a Child!
Medicine is based on what is the best of two Choices!Kol Haposel B’momo Posel:
“This is what happens when you have no thought process of your own and you just follow blindly what others want you to think”It is an absolute halachic obligation to be vaccinated unless someone has a specific medical condition that precludes vaccination. You can read “Halachic Aspects of Vaccination” by
Rabbi Dr. Edward Reichman M.D. online.Society can certainly protect itself by restricting certain venues to those who have been vaccinated or recovered. In the U.S. compulsory vaccination was upheld by the Supreme Court in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11 (1905).
Thank you for answering my questions. I am going to write you off as a fringe loony conspiracy theorist and daven that you don’t cause too much damage to society.
There are legitimate conversations to have regarding COVID vaccines and public policy but it’s pointless to have them with someone who believes vaccines are designed for mind & population control.I have no issue with vaccine passes as long as
(1)there are vaccines available for everyone so not getting vaccinated is a 100% matter of choice
and
(2)there is clear medical evidence that the unvaccinated pose a medical risk to themselves or other by their presence. (Clear medical evidence does not include government or media “I said so. Don’t you dare question it or be too dumb to understand it”
Otherwise it is government overreach .
The above is for public places. A private group should not need condition (2)to require a vaccine pass.
Me: Do you believe Bill Gates wants people vaccinated as a part of a larger plot to control minds and populations?
You: “I don’t need to believe anything, he said it himself. Look it up online.”
Me: You’re a crazy person.
You: “I never said vaccines are designed for depopulation please show me where I stated that?”“But when a person who has been crying out for pandemics, depopulation and vaccines for so many years is now suddenly in charge of this whole project, it’s a bit concerning.”
So because he’s been warning the world (since 2015) that this might happen that means he finally got fed up with waiting and unleashed the virus?“did you also know that your saviour Bill Gates was kicked out of India and Africa after it became known that the vaccines he was giving to kids was sterilizing them! Or is that a conspiracy as well?”
No conspiracy, just a complete fabrication. The Indian Health Ministry even released a statement which in part said, Some media reports have suggested that all health related collaboration with the Gates Foundation with National Health Mission (NHM) has been stopped. This is inaccurate and misleading. BMGF continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.”What you’re writing, is a bunch of crazy stuff. And the Rothschilds are controlling the weather.
Rightwriter -“Since you are so knowledgeable, why don’t you explain to us how there will be a rise in covid cases at this point where so many people have either natural immunity or have been vaccinated?”
Stop with your make believe statistics!
They are shooting for 200 million vaccinations, but right now there is only a little bit over 100 million.
Do you know how many people live in the USA?!?
Why do you think that there is something called “Natural Immunity” with Covid-19?“And also if you have been vaccinated why are you worried about catching it from anyone else? The vaccine is there to prevent you from getting sick!”
According to the latest statistics – it might last a year – some say vaxxing will last 3 – 6 months.
This is a Killer.
We need vaccinations to give us time to Find a Cure!Why do we have these shrill, looney kazoonies as part of our community? There is no conspiracy that is too outlandish for these guys, no matter how crazy, they believe it.
You’d think someone who learns gemara would have saichal, nut he either doesn’t learn or is meshiggeh anyway.
>> You’d think someone who learns gemara would have saichal
this is the key question. Do we learn logical skills from Gemora, and if not, what is this activity?
we are discussing in another thread gemorot about several groups that always fight – dogs, roosters .. loose women, some say Talmidei Chachamim miBavel – meaning that Bavli argumentative style of searching for truth is picked up by some people inappropriately to argue any point without regards to truth. So, it is not a surprise that we have some people learning that way. More concerning to me personally is when we get a large group forming around such learning style, endangering our core values of integrity in learning
rightwriter, you mix together some legit thoughts, like “why should we trust untested vaccine”, that can be rationally discussed with multitude of statements based on not much info. Some sounds bogus, such as “lots of old people do not trust vaccine”. Look up vaccination rates for older people and in nursing homes in Israel and Us and report back to us. Try looking up medical literature.. you don’t have to trust every word and it is ok to be suspicious, but there are lots of numbers that could help you orient yourself, such as how long antibodies are on, what are death rates in haredi communities in Israel, etc.
Rightwriter, untested? Are you serious? It has been approved by all regulatory agencies after requisite testing. The technology itself has been around for thirty years. Rav Elimelech Firer, who is an expert on Halacha and Medicine, discussed the issue in a special interview. You can google “הרב פירר מפריך את השמועות: “הדבר הנכון הוא ליטול את החיסון”.
rightwriter, i’m with you, and for that matter, so is Rabbi Yitzchok Dovid Smith of passaicclarity. Posters love to spout the overused cliche “conspiracy theorist”. Well, that’s not quite the accurate terminology. More like “conspiracy analyst” is what you are. Chaval that so many in our circles squelch their instinct to sniff out a dead rat, and acknowledge that things are fishy.
“Come into my parlor” said the spider.
“Thanks so much for the invite!” gushed the fly.
SNATCH!
“Come into our parlor” say Gates and Fauci.
[we wish to lull you by proving that vaxxes are harmless, even though y’all don’t know what our related plans are.]
“Thanks so much for saving us!” gush the pro-vaxxers.
…then at some future date – TRAPPED!As for how it’s spread so quickly, I suggest using bitchute (or in general, avoid censorious youtube and mainstream engines) to research “5g covid”. Yes, you’ll see Icke, though if you can remain objective, and move the slider to approx. 50 or 52, the talk about 5G and Covid begins. Dr.Arthur Firstenberg’s book backs up the linkage between every new wireless frequency, and epidemics. (Dr.F had become irradiated by Xray, and was sick ever since.
Rtwriter -“Antibodies via virus are lasting way longer than the vaccine. ”
Probably, but how do you get this Virus?
By getting sick?
Some people who get sick from Viruses die!
So this is Ossur according to the Torah, besides being Stupid!Rightwriter -” Vaccines take years to develop and more importantly to test on animals for many years to make sure they don’t contain harmful side effects IN THE LONGRUN. It’s so funny how everyone is so naive thinking if nothing happens right after the shot then everything is well.”
It’s sad that there are So many people like you, even in the Frum community.
I wish that I could live in Utopia, like you do!
But unfortunately Moshiac isn’t here yet.I hate to Burst your Bubble, but there is No such thing as a Perfect World!
Right now we have to Judge how to save as many Lives as possible.
So we could do nothing or we could give vaccines.
Now if we do nothing, we already know what happens – that’s why it’s called a Pandemic!
Now if we give vaccines, at this time, we also know the outcome.
We know that people that are vaxxed against Covid-19 – their Survival Rate is Greater than those that aren’t vaccinated!
Stop Living in Some Sort of Dream World!RW: they don’t trust THIS vaccine. I never said they don’t trust any vaccines in general.
I understand you are talking about Covid vaccines. This would be plural, as you have multiple already. They all have limited testing. They have different risk profiles. If you don’t like new mRNA tech, you may want to look into Russki Sputnik. I am sure it was well tested on prisoners and military personnel. Just make sure you drink same stuff they do to dilute the risky stuff.
Anyway, I am suggesting you to be specific – I do not like vaccine X because antigen Y potentially causes Z. And then compare it with also not-tested long-term effect of COVID that tends to leave traces of damage in multiple body systems (again, Chinese or Russians might have tested it, so ask them).
RW: how many FDA Approved drugs have been on the market for years and years only to be taken off the market due to dangerous and adverse effects
I asked this shaila from Rav Google and he said something like 35 out of 1500 approved (up to 2014).
I did not read carefully though, you may want to double check.2020 Annals of Internal Medicine article ” Postmarketing safety of vaccines approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. ” says there was 1 _vaccine_ recall out of 57 approved in 20 year window. it was within a year of approval. There were also 58 warnings for 25 of the vaccines related to immunocompromised and pre-existing conditions and allergies. Given that Pfizer might get full authorization in about a month, it probably has a similar safety profile.
IMO, R.W., i think you may be descended from Shevet Levi along with Dr.Zelenko, and Dr.Simone Gold, among others. And zachur latov are Dr.Shallenberger and Dr.Mercola, among others.
IMO the vaxx along with the “health” system are today’s main egel hazahav, alongside conspicuous-consumption and so-called “high-tech” – because if you want to see “compassionate” tech that’s been suppressed (as compared to today’s cold incompassionate tech utilized by the dark side), thriveon is releasing “thrive II” for Limited-time Free-viewing from 4/23 thru 5/2, upon registration.
Alot of the dark side’s machinations is being suppressed from mainstream, for example, i’d seen someone post a Hebrew-language site where there were numerous testimonials about the harm which was rendered them by the vaxx.
…But even if that were not the case, nobody knows for sure what future vaxx-related plans are in store for the public.And alot of the good side is also being suppressed too – even if the false-media might label them snake oil.
Someone like me, who has endured the gauntlet of the unhealthcare system to the Nth degree, realizes how possible it is for such a corrupt system to be highly-tweakable to act as a trojan horse against The People.
I also learned from having been a human guinea pig, that many sophisticated-speaking, technically fact-filled people are blind.
Put simply & poetically:
Their “facts” turn them blind
And they become very unkind.While even a not-fully-vetted vaccine is generally less risky than not-at-all-vetted COVID, it may be fair to prefer one vaccine over the other depending on your risk perception. Here is my non-professional thinking, maybe others know better:
– if you afraid of new mRNA technology, you can get a more traditional J&J one dose. It is possible that they’ll recommend boosters later on. There is a now trial for a 2-dose.
– Moderna has a higher does than Pfizer. So, if you are afraid of side-effects, have immune problems or allergies, Pfizer may be more preferable.
– Pfizer is also now most tested in real-life and applying for full authorization, so side effects and what to do with them can be researched now
– you may want to spend 30 minutes near the site with a friend instead of 15.Rightwriter -“-And many who have gotten the vaccine also DIED!”
This is a lie.
It’s up to you to proove this statement.
Or you think you can lie to push conspiracy theories?!?
According to the Torah, you must make the effort to Not be part of the 1%.
Even if it only lasts 3 – 6 months.Health how is that lie. Heard of Hank Aaron? I’m sure you have. He died a few hours after getting the vaccine.
That’s a lie. He died about two and a half weeks after getting the vaccine, and there’s zero evidence of any link to the vaccine.
Rightwriter -“In any case there have been countless numbers of people in Israel and America who have died literally a few hours after the vaccine. Is that a coincidence or what.
I never said everyone died from it. But many have.”If you don’t bring any proof, it’s called a Conspiracy Theory.
Why do you do it?
Do you think that you know better than the Gedolim that say you must Vax against Covid-19?!?Your posts show a lack of formal education!
Correlation doesn’t equal Causation.
Don’t ask me what that means – Look it up or ask s/o else.Health, there we go again spouting “conspiracy theories” rather than accurately calling people “conspiracy analysts” or their analyses “conspiracy analysis”. It’s precisely the socialist/fascist mentality to cast ridicule by repetitively parroting the media’s socialist cliches. Repeat words often enough, then we’ll believe it IF we’re fools, but you can’t fool ALL of us ALL the time. You can’t fool Rabbi Dr. Esq. Smith, Dr.Zelenko, the Frontline doctors, Rabbi Asherov of Israel, and many more such.
How about let’s forget all “facts” because “facts” are always tweaked by bullies to fool majorities (Cuomo’s nursing home numbers being a case in point).
Let’s even not speak about all the untold deaths, whether debatable OR not. Rather ask – why now, at this time? What might be the future ulterior motives of the powers-that-be?
I consider this an “eis milchama” in that those whom G-d wishes to remain alive, are not dying, despite having contracted the unnatural Covid, or having taken suspicious vaxxes. And because it’s an eis milchama, these miracles are similar to the hidden or even open miracles experienced by some inmates during the Holocaust.
I feel the same holds true for whatever other plans they have in store, whether vaxx-related or economy-related. During the upcoming eis-milchama, miracles will come into play, hidden or otherwise. I mean, after all, Rav Kanievsky paskened, and it does say “tzaddik gozer v’Hashem m’kayem”, therefore the miracles. Otherwise it could turn out to be a Chillul Hashem, since most rabbonim followed suit.
P.S. Personally, unless i’m under duress and forced, I go by my gut-feelings based on observation, and also i go by my past experiences at the untender, unmerciful hands of the sickcare system. For example, if not for xyz podiatrist, i’d not now have a permanently swollen ankle plus worsened neuropathy, and if not for xyz phys.therapy, i’d not now have my left ring-finger puffed-up with worsened arthritis. And that’s just the TIP of iceberg (offered because they’re more easily relatable to). You better believe there’s WAY more.
>> they have no proof that vaccinated CANNOT spread it to others,
let’s look at top vaccinated countries to understand effect on overall propagation:
4 top countries using western vaccines have all decreasing cases, top countries using Sino- and Sputnik are going up (but their whole neighboroods are going up!) . It is still hard to separate temporary trends from long-term ones, but looks promising for Western vaccinesIsrael had 8000 cases daily in January and 400 now
Gibraltar – 130 to 0
UK – 60K to 4k
US 280K to 70KCountries that are using Chinese & Russian vaccines:
UAE – 4k (March) to 2K, Chile – increasing, Serbia – increasing,? Hungary – increasingWhat makes you so certain that it wasn’t linked to the vaccine
Did I say I was certain it wasn’t connected? No, I said there’s no evidence. The fact that a man in his mid 80’s died a couple of weeks after a certain event took place (in this case, getting vaccinated) is not in any way indicative of a causal relationship.
Millions of people are vaccinated daily. Of course there will be people who die on the same day they are vaccinated. That doesn’t prove any correlation. You don’t prove causation unless you study two otherwise similar groups and find that the vaccinated group has more deaths than the unvaccinated group. That has not happened.
The very nature of conspiracy theories is that they can’t be “disproven” because whatever evidence there is is dismissed as a lie and cover up. So I can’t “disprove” your nonsense, but I can point out that there is no real evidence of the vaccines being dangerous, just worthless anecdotes.
On the other hand, there is evidence of how lethal Covid can be, and that the vaccine is effective at preventing it.
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