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Rav Pam zt”l versus Rav Yaakov zt”l re Breakfast and Davening – for Girls


By Rabbi Yair Hoffman for 5tjt.com

Pesach vacation is almost here for some high school girls, and has already started for others.  During the school year,  most Girls’ high schools generally have davening take place in school itself. In the pre-COVID days many of them had it in a large auditorium, but in COVID times – they generally all daven in the classrooms.

BREAKFAST

What do they do about breakfast?  Unlike the Yeshiva high schools – which provide breakfast for their talmidim after davening – the Bais Yaakovs do not.  The halacha is that one should not take care of one’s own needs before davening to Hashem. Breakfast is certainly one’s personal needs.

What then is the rationale for schools conducting their schedule in this manner?

NOT EATING BEFORE DAVENING

The source of the halacha that forbids eating before davening is based upon a Gemorah in Brachos (10b).  It is considered haughty to take care of one’s own needs before tending to our obligations toward Hashem. The halacha is further codified in Shulchan Aruch (Orech Chaim 89:3).

DRINKING

A drink, of course, is permitted. Nowadays, it is even permitted to add sugar and milk to one’s coffee, but breakfast before davening, is forbidden unless one is weak or sick.

This halacha, according to Poskim, applies to women as well (See Minchas Yitzchok Vol. IV #28).

DVEIKUS IS THE GOAL

The goal of life is to develop a relationship – a strong relationship with Hashem and to emulate Him in all that we do. Dveikus is the highest level of this relationship where we cleave to Him. One method or path to this relationship is through Tefilah.

DEBATE AMONG RISHONIM

There is a fascinating debate among the Rishonim, however, as to the exact nature of this path. There is also, according to this author’s understanding, a difference in understanding between Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky zt”l and Rav Avrohom Pam zt”l as to how to understand the Chofetz Chaim’s view in his Mishna Brurah on the final ruling of the matter.

THE RAMBAM’S VIEW – BIBLICAL

The Rambam (Hilchos Tefillah 1:1) writes that the obligation to pray is from the Torah. The Pasuk in Shma (Dvarim 11:13) states: ul’avdo bechol levavchem – and to serve Him with all your heart.” The Gemorah in Taanis (2a) asks: “What kind of avodah involves the heart? It must be that this is Tefilah.”

The Rambam learns, therefore, that the obligation for prayer is biblical – it is just the wording and the exact times for it that are of Rabbinic origin. At a minimum, the obligation is to include shevach, bakasha, and hoda’ah – praise of Hashem, requests of Hashem, and thanks to Hashem (See Rambam Hilchos Tefilah 1:2).

A KEY MOGAIN AVROHOM

The Mogain Avrohom (OC 106:2) writes that it is possible that the Chachomim did not obligate women further than the Torah obligation. The obligation is thus limited to an expression of praise, thanks, and a request. These three minimum requirements can be accomplished with the morning brachos – a minimum of Tefillah.

THE RAMBAN AND RASHI

According to the Ramban, however, in Sefer HaMitzvos #5 and Rashi (“v’chayavin b’tefilah” Brachos 20b), the obligation of prayer is only Rabbinic in nature.  If one is experiencing tzaar – stress or other pain or difficulties, then the obligation is a biblical one.  Otherwise, it is strictly a Rabbinic obligation.

However, according to the view of the Ramban and Rashi, even when not in tzaar the Anshei Knesses HaGedolah who established both this obligation of prayer and the wording of the Shmoneh Esreh  – obligated women as well. Even though it is a time bound Mitzvah, since it is a request for mercy, Chazal obligated women as well in Shacharis and Mincha.

TWO DIFFERENT VIEWS

We thus have two very different views in the Rishonim.  The Rambam holds that Tefillah is Biblical, but one can fulfill it with very few lines of prayer. The Mogain Avrohom holds that women were not commanded in the Rabbinic Mitzvah – but may do so if they wish.

On the other hand, the Ramban and Rashi both hold that tefillah is Rabbinic [unless it is a time of tzarah] and that women are fully obligated in it.

HOW DO WE RULE?

The Mishna Brurah (106:4), as well as other Poskim, rule in accordance with the Ramban. In fact, there are other indications that women are fully obligated in the two Shmoneh Esrehs of Shacharis and Mincha.

CHANA

The Yalkut Shimoni (Shmuel, Remez 80) writes explicitly that women are obligated in Shmoneh Esreh and that is why Chana was praying 18 brachos. The problem with this is that Chana actually preceded the Anshei Knesses HaGedolah. Thus, the Mogain Avrohom and the Rambam would understand this Yalkut Shimoni as being a type of asmachta – an allusion to a future rabbinic enactment.

THE CHOFETZ CHAIM’S WIFE

Notwithstanding the ruling of the Mishna Brurah, the Chofetz Chaim’s son, Reb Aryeh Leib Kagan Poupko (1861-1938) writes in his “Sichos HaChofetz Chaim” (Vol. I #27) that his mother, while she was raising the children, almost never davened Shmoneh Esreh and told her son that their father had said that she was exempt.

DEBATE BETWEEN RAV YAAKOV zt”l AND RAV PAM zt”l

It seems to this author that there are two different ways to understand the apparent contradiction between what the Chofetz Chaim writes in his Mishna Brurah, and how his wife conducted herself – according to his son.

RAV YAAKOV’S EXPLANATION

Rav Yaakov Kamenetsky zt”l (February 28, 1891 – March 10, 1986) explained that since the mother is engaged in another Mitzvah of raising the children, she is exempt for another reason.  She falls under the concept of “Osaik b’Mitzvah patur min haMitzvah  – One who is involved in a Mitzvah is exempt from another Mitzvah”  (as cited in Ko somar l’Bais Yaakov page 30).  This concept is stated by Rabbi Yossi HaGalili in Sukkah (26a) in regard to travelers of a Mitzvah being exempt from the Mitzvah of Sukkah.  So, according to Rav Yaakov, she is still relying on the view of the Ramban, in accordance with the ruling of the Mishna Brurah, but she is exempt from davening because she is involved in another Mitzvah.

RAV PAM’S EXPLANATION

Rav Avrohom Pam zt”l, on the other hand, had another understanding. He understood that there are times in a woman’s life when she can rely on the ruling of the Rambam rather than rule like the Ramban. During the period of a woman’s life when she is raising children, she can rely on the view and reading of the Rambam that allows her to just recite a very minimum davening – in other words, no Shmoneh Esreh.

This is how this author heard Rav Pam explain the words of the Chofetz Chaim’s son. It can be analogous perhaps to keeping two different Sefirah periods from year to year.

BACK TO THE QUESTION

So, how is it that high school girls eat at home first and then wait to daven in school? True, before they eat at home they often say brachos – fulfilling the minimum requirements of the Rambam, but the Mishna Brurah rules like the Ramban – and not like the Rambam!

Also, how does it even fit according to the Rambam?  Do brachos fulfill the three requirements?  Many Poskim hold that the word Boruch – also contains a request for bracha in that it is stating, Hashem, You are the source of all blessing [and thus grant me blessing too].  But does everyone who relies on the Rambam know this?  If not, perhaps they should.

We could, of course, make an exception for someone who is not feeling well or is weak, to rule like the Rambam –  but how can we be doing this across the board to all high school girls?

RAV PAM

According to Rav Pam zt”l, perhaps this is one of those times that we can rely on the Rambam instead of the Ramban, because this way, at least they will be learning how to daven properly in front of their mechanchos and teachers.

RAV YAAKOV

According to Rav Yaakov zt”l, it would be more problematic because there is no “osaik bamitzvah patur min haMitzvah” here.  But even according to the view of Rav Pam zt”l – aren’t many high school girls really independent enough here that the don’t really need to daven in front of teachers?  If so, then how is it allowed?

POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE EXPLANATION

I would like to possibly suggest an alternative explanation.  There is much to be gained in spirituality for girls to be performing Mitzvos – including davening, altogether.  This may reason enough, perhaps, to be bdi’avad, relying on the Rambam.  Since it is impractical for girls’ schools to have a breakfast session, the benefit outweighs the loss.  So, we could be relying on the secondary view because of other factors – but the halacha is still like the Ramban.

The situation might be analogous to the halacha of leining from a posul Sefer Torah.  Regarding someone that was called up to the Torah before any invalidity in the Torah was discovered, we rely on the Rambam’s view that, when there is only an invalid Sefer Torah, we may read from it.  We do not call up someone else from a second Sefer Torah for that aliyah.  However, for the next Aliyah, we cannot call someone to read from the invalid Sefer Torah.

SHABBOS MORNING

All this brings up another very pertinent issue. There is another critical difference between Rav Pam’s approach and Rav Yaakov’s approach in regard to Shabbos morning, and in regard to the Rambam versus the Ramban.

THE PROHIBITION OF EATING BEFORE KIDDUSH

If one is following the view of the Rambam during the week, then merely saying brachos in the morning creates a prohibition of eating before Kiddush. The prohibition begins immediately after one has davened. The prohibition means that one cannot even taste water until one has made or heard Kiddush. According to the Ramban – then it is not a problem. A woman or girl may drink until she has davened her Shmoneh Esreh.  According to our third explanation, if it is correct, we are not temporarily setting aside the view of the Ramban to accommodate these high school girls.  We still maintain it, but we are allowing it so that the girls will gain the benefit of davening together in a group.

WHO TO FOLLOW ON SHABBOS MORNING?

So which view should a woman or young lady follow? Should she follow Rav Yaakov’s explanation or Rav Pam’s? Or perhaps is this third view the one she should be following.  The answer, of course, is to ask her own Rav or Posaik as to how she is reconciling her weekday conduct and her Shabbos conduct.

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2 Responses

  1. If we follow the Ramban – i.e. the girl must daven shmoneh esrei – so how can she eat before kiddush (because she has not yet davenned), she cannot eat anything until she davens at which point she will be obligated in kiddush? I assume I am missing something here. Please, Rabbi Hoffman (no posters), clarify for me. Tizku l’mitzvos!
    Secondly, when does a son or daughter or wife stop being nigrar after the father/husband (i.e. once he has davenned shacharis and is obligated in kiddush, so are they)?

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