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This morning I went to my county voter registration office where early voting was taking place between 8 AM and 5 PM (fear not, I davened Shacharit first). It’s also the office to drop off absentee ballots. I walked into the building with two absentee ballots in hand. One had my name on it. I voted by machine. I walked out with no absentee ballots in hand. Based on these facts, did I violate any Georgia or federal election laws? Did I commit election fraud? Was I being paid or ordered? Should my vote be counted?
Since I had a paper printout of my votes by computer that was also scanned, at what point will my vote be changed such that the paper printout wouldn’t fix the error in a recount?
Did you cast someone else’s ballot in addition to yours? If you cast another person’s vote, in Georgia it is legal if you are the other person’s “mother, father, grandparent, aunt, uncle, brother, sister, spouse, son, daughter, niece, nephew, grandchild, son-in-law, daughter-in-law, mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, sister-in-law or an individual residing in the household of such elector.” These laws vary from state to state. New York does not have specific laws on the subject although there is a bill pending in the State Assembly to put some restrictions on absentee ballot collections.
The comparison of the manual and computer recounts in Georgia from the November election shows that you do not have to worry about your vote being changed.
You’re okay.
I’m not as sure about the local version of the Daley Political Machine organizing a get-out-the-vote effort for people residing in cemeteries but still not expunged from the local voting roster.
early voting lasts until 5 pm?
I’m not a Republican or Democrat & don’t really care about any politics. But how do you explain Biden getting more votes than actual registered voters in certain key places? And what is your take on videos of trashbags filled with torn up Trump votes? Or why I got 2 absentee ballots sent to me in my name? I’m not seeing any democrats actually addressing any of these issues, they just rant on & on about Trump being bad, but never actually address anything.
“Biden getting more votes than actual registered voters”
This meme has been repeatedly debunked.
“And what is your take on videos of trashbags filled with torn up Trump votes? ”
Also debunked. There are two postal workers facing charges for discarding mail, but no actual ballots were there. However, the US Postal Service did admit that it did not deliver huge numbers of mail in votes on time in Philadelphia, Detroit, and Atlanta, which would have been mostly Biden votes — and Trump’s legal goons then went to court to prevent the legally cast votes from being counted. (This was reported by the New York Post!) It is Trump who tried to steal the election and failed.
“2 absentee ballots sent to me in my name?”
You clearly had two absentee ballots. But in most states (not all) only one can count in your name.
You didn’t say anything about proving who you are. Why does it take more security to take out a library book than to vote on a machine run by Biden’s Brother-in-Law that showed 800% more errors than the FTC allowed?
YSF – how do they explain it? Easy. They just tell you it didn’t happen.
Orech- im just curious, were you thinking that telling your opening post with its vagueness and obvious pieces missing was gonna elicit a mass of responses proving fraud or were you just trying to illustrate that things may not be what they seem? If the former, i hope you learned how wrong you were on all levels. If the later, it’s a nice life lesson always.
Orech
Thatâs a lie and I know it because I did research in the beginning
If you added up the votes between Biden and Trump in Michigan it was more than the registered voters (the answer to that was that you can register on the day of the election so therefore the registered voters amount was inaccurate)
I wonder if they âfixedâ that number later, I should go check
Ummm, no. A response does not responses make. Your experiment went flat and I hope you figure out why
I know what your thesis was. It flopped. If you are gonna think success from a line in one post, you must be a lawyer.
Hatzlacha
Orech – great post. Funny, how some here are fascinated with nonsensical and debunked (well it gets tiresome debunking every made up claim being thrown around) claims and just can’t get past the simple fact that the evidence of fraud that could have had any meaningful impact on the Presidential is just not there. Trash bags, more voters than people, aliens, vote machines flipping stuff, etc… I guess they believe a habitual liar, over everyone else (in this case, everyone else, includes, Bill Barr, the Supreme Court [including the 3 justices Trump put up], numerous lower courts, GOP Governors and Secretary of states, the Department of Homeland Security, and so on).
The Democrats here a very long history of being master election thieves. From JFK to LBJ in Texas to Daley in Chicago to today.
Which is why Democrats OPPOSE Voter Identification requirements even though you need ID to get a library card to take a flight or even to walk into a government building.
I’m actually less concerned about the current election & the former presidency, then I am concerned about how quick many Americans accept the media’s “debunking” when there is clear evidence of things taking place.
Disclaimer: It’s not 1 political party that does this, it’s the majority of the American public that doesn’t investigate both sides to an argument & just believe what they are told by “their side”. And it’s been getting worse & worse over the years.
Ujm -“The Democrats here a very long history of being master election thieves. From JFK to LBJ in Texas to Daley in Chicago to today.”
With the Stealing of the Presidential election, those cases are a pittance!
They even paid off – so-called Republicans in Georgia to get the win in the States that can go either way.Lin Wood says he & Powell have thousands of Affidavits (Not Hundreds) of Voter irregularities or Voter Fraud.
My question to you Libs is – Why didn’t even one Judge read them?
What are they afraid of?!?
Obviously they have been threatened.Was it Soros or CCP (Joe Biden got millions from them)?
How do I know? Because it says so in Hunter’s Laptop.
This Fraud is Much bigger than Watergate!
It’s Funny how you Libs are fooled by this Corruption!Voter ID laws only prevent people without the resources to get the IDs from voting. In addition they should be struck down as an unconstitutional poll tax, but Trumpies never did care about the Constitution.
In any case, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, and Wisconsin have voter ID laws and Biden still won. If the Trumpies were honest they would admit that either there was no fraud or that voter ID laws have nothing to do with fraud.
Pennsylvania had a voter ID but the Pennsylvania courts struck it down. Republicans in Pennsylvania admitted that it was nothing to do with voter fraud and everything to do with stealing elections. But the turnout for Biden was so large in those four other states that the attempted theft failed.
What kind of resources does one need to get an ID?
Orech: Why aren’t the Democrats opposed to ID to buy alcohol, enter a government building, obtain welfare money or get on a flight for “distinct populations”?
By all means add state-issued student IDs to the accepted list. And make them easily obtainable when requiring them to cast a ballot.
But the Democrats are ADAMANTLY opposed to ANY mandate of requiring ID before voting. Because requiring it would hamper their ability to cheat.
Oh Charlie, -” If the Trumpies were honest they would admit that either there was no fraud”
LOL.
Your posts are getting funnier by the minute!“or that voter ID laws have nothing to do with fraud.”
Now you’re getting back to reality.
Most of the Fraud didn’t have anything to do with Voter ID laws!âcoffee addict â In 2020, there were 5,539,302 votes cast in the presidential election. Michigan had 8,127,333 registered voters at the time of the election. These are the final result, with Pres.-Elect Biden winning by 154,188. This information is from the Secretary of Stateâs office.â
Iâm sorry it wasnât Michigan it was Wisconsin
Wisconsin as of Election Day had 3,129,000 registered voters
However the results were
Biden 1,630,334
Trump 1,609,586With 95% results in when I was shown the picture (I looked it up at the time)
Again I was told that the law in Wisconsin is you can register on Election Day however I wouldnât be surprised if this is more prone to fraud) (and even if 100% of registered voters âvotedâ this is more prone to fraud)
Orech Din -“Do you have any evidence to prove Iâm wrong about the trash bags, and the Michigan and Wisconsin vote counts? Do you have other theories that need to be tested?”
Yea – it’s called evidence!
Here is a news article:“The Michigan woman who was widely ridiculed after her appearance as a voter fraud witness for Rudy Giuliani last week defended her testimony in an exclusive interview Tuesday, saying âI wasnât drunk.â
Mellissa Carone, 33, a supporter of President Donald Trump who worked as an information technology contractor for Dominion Voting Systems on Election Night, told the Michigan Legislature last Wednesday that massive voter fraud occurred in Detroit but presented no evidence of her claims.
Video of the appearance at the Statehouse went viral over the weekend, and many voices on social media speculated whether Carone was inebriated as she repeated unproven claims that had been previously dismissed by a Wayne County court for being âsimply not credible.âLet me you ask a question – do Judges ever say a witness is not credible without any evidence?
Do you know any testimony that was ridiculed after their testimony, eg. claiming inebriation, and didn’t like their speech?!?
Do you know any witness that SNL did a skit on them?
How about if a Juror claims a witness is Not reliable because they were convicted of a felony?
That Juror will probably be dismissed. But the media is claiming – she’s not credible because she was convicted of a misdemeanors?!?Do You Libs think that saying Biden won the election, Over & Over, will make e/o believe that it’s True?!?
Why don’t you get a life?
And Btw, how many SN’s do you have on YWN?âSame day registration doesnât even come into your argument.â
Yes it does
Go to a site demos .org/research/what same day registration where it available (put the hyphen in between each word and take the space away)
It says Wisconsin had 337,880 voters registered on the same day (Minnesota actually had the most at 527,867) and North Carolina (one which trump also ânarrowly lostâ had 249,922 same day registants
Davening that the mods let this through because I didnât make it a clickable link
“As I said at the top, you people would walk into the ocean if Trump told you it was dry land.”
No, and there is no evidence of that here either. Nobody took your bait, get over it.
“I debunked 3 nonsense conspiracy theories in this thread”
So you think saying they aren’t true is debunking? That’s almost as funny as ypur colleagues here saying they know everything we hear on fox is wrong because cnn told them so. Airtight case. No doubt. đ
And those numbers you quoted were the âupdated numbersâ
Orech: Democrats have adamantly opposed any form of voter ID requirements EVERY time its every come up.
I love this thread
Trump supporters insisted for years they weren’t cultists but they liked some postivie aspect of Trump’s policy or disliked some aspect of the Democrats. I supected this wasnt quite the case but they made an ok argument.
Now the cat is out of the bag.Trump supporters repeat the same old nonsense that was debunked weeks ago. and just say “So you think saying they arenât true is debunking? ”
A poster can literally cite numbers proving the counter claim is bogus and the response is “you think saying they arenât true is debunking” A poster can provide detailed explanantion of why the claim isnt real (see OD’s post 12/29 8:55 AM regarding the garbage bags
Not just here. In real life I have several friends who think this is al part of Trump’s plan he planned on losing 60 court cases (they weren’t really him is my favorite response)
amazing stuff !
Let’s make it simple. There is no voter fraud claims left to be debunked as so far no one has provided any evidence of voter fraud that needs to be debunked. If you are not sure, ask Bill Barr, the Department of Homeland Security, the 3 Supreme Court Justices Trump put up (and the other 6 Supreme Court Justices), numerous lower court judges, State Governors (both GOP and Democrat), Secretaries of State (both GOP and Democrat), and numerous other people involved in the process. Trump saying there is fraud and a gang of clowns (who don’t even make most of their fraud claims in court because they would get in trouble for that since they have no actual evidence) going along with him, and Health trying to post the most ridiculous viewpoints and Syag with deep sincerity really, really believing there is fraud, does not make there be fraud. You people saying there is fraud, need to go to court and make those claims in court (and face the consequences if you are lying to a judge), and stop whining about it here. It is simply ridiculous and tiresome.
Mitch wants to tie the $2,000 checks to a bill looking into the election, the Democrats call it a âpoison pillâ
Why was it ok to âlook intoâ the Russia tampering with the election and make a special prosecutor âjust to make sureâ everything was ok but the same shouldnât be done here
(The fisa court got an unverified dossier)
Donât you think it would be fair at least to the (70 million but letâs say half still want to fight so itâs 35 million) Americans that think it was rigged?
Wrong question (nevermind that a GOP led congress found there was Russian interference in the 2016 election). Rather you should ask, what does this partisan political initiative have to do with a stimulus? Kind of pathetic that a guy who was pontificating recently on the Senate floor about need for narrow relief bills is now trying to tack on his policy prerogatives to a relief bill.
âWrong questionâ
Who are you to tell me what is a right question and what is a wrong question? This is not a communist country (at least not yet even if Democrats want it to be)
Did I tell you Democrats that it was a wrong question if Russia wanted trump to win and rigged the election?
And the answer to your question is it has nothing to do with it but in order to get the Democrats to vote on it they have to do this (at least from my understanding)
So pontification about how if you want to help Americans you should make a thin bill, suddenly goes out the window the moment you think you can score a partisan political victory, even at the expense of people you are claiming to want to help.
Fine, like I have said on other places, the GOP lacks principle and is simply focused on retaining power at all costs.
ENS -” people saying there is fraud, need to go to court and make those claims in court (and face the consequences if you are lying to a judge), and stop whining about it here. It is simply ridiculous and tiresome.”
Stop Lying Mr. Lib.
I did!
Why don’t you read the posts before commenting?!?
From previous:
“Mellissa Carone, 33, a supporter of President Donald Trump who worked as an information technology contractor for Dominion Voting Systems on Election Night, told the Michigan Legislature last Wednesday that massive voter fraud occurred in Detroit but presented no evidence of her claims.”
“as she repeated unproven claims that had been previously dismissed by a Wayne County court for being âsimply not credible.â
“Let me you ask a question â do Judges ever say a witness is not credible without any evidence?”
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