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“First of all the point of this thread was to say that these lockdowns are unconstitutional.”

You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Without expressing my own, I would simply note that there is a legitimate debate to be had on the topic.

“There are many things in the Torah that would be deemed unconstitutional.”

What does the Torah have to do with the Constitution?

“Secondly, you all have to explain where the line is drawn. You all have to explain why, according to daas torah, one is permitted to drive a car when there is a risk to yourself, and others, in doing so. To me, the answer is simple. Hashem wants us to live a normal life. Not do crazy things that put one in danger. Driving a car a low risk. Not being careful with a plague such as Ebola is reckless.”

Correct. The line is שומר פתאים השם.

“But when we have virus with a 98% survival rate, those who are not at risk shouldn’t be stuck at home not feeding their families. Those who are at risk can be responsible to protect themselves as they see fit. I don’t think that living an abnormal life for a year straight, for no reason other than to please your local tyrant Democratic leaders, what Hashem wants.”

The point here is that the Torah requires us to follow the law, even if it is unreasonably restrictive. If the law requires us to lock down, the Torah requires us to follow suit. This is not because of health considerations, but because of דינא דמלכותא. We don’t have to like it, but we have to do it.

In all your talk, you still haven’t refuted the basic point that the Torah does not support the idea that liberty is more important than life.