Do American Jews care about Eretz Yisroel?

The greater question should be should the Americans living in Israel leave? there will be a lot more pressure on the Israeli Government during the Biden administration then pressure on the American Jews with a GOP senate in control.

Remember that the “Trump peace plan” involved putting pressure on Israel to approve a Palestinian state, which the Likud has been against for decades.

Remember that the “peace deals” with Arab countries with which Israel was never at war (UAE, etc.) were only obtained at the price of canceling Netanyahu’s plan of annexing the West Bank, which would have been historic and game-changing.

Remember that Sharon’s disengagement from Gaza, which was opposite to his political instincts and would not have happened without American pressure from a Republican president, GW Bush.

Remember that Israel remained a strong country and dealt with its enemies appropriately more or less, even during the Obama years. Perhaps there was more pressure, but the US was always an ally, not an enemy.

Trump was more sympathetic to Israel but there has still been inappropriate pressure. Things will change a bit with Biden but Israel still has the power to make the right decisions; they just need the guts.

Regardless, our Neviim have often warned against putting our trust in geopolitical alliances, including particular countries or their leaders. Let’s trust in Hashem and daven that Israel makes the right decisions regardless of pressure.

Yes, we care at lot but not all of us share the same priorities. And no, we don’t think the goyim will be “throwing us out” of the U.S. anytime soon. As to Canada, they were planning to build their own version of the wall to keep out Americans seeking to escape another 4 years of the Trumpkopf.

I an moving to Israel regardless of who wins.

To answer your title question, I would have to say that for the most part the answer is either “no” or “not much”. Most Jews in America are very disconnected from both Eretz Yisrael and from Medinat Yisrael. And we Zionists aren’t very effective at countering this apathy.

A large percentage of the MO tzibur outside of NYC metro area (and I suspect a modest percentage in NYC) are actually quite moderate in their politics although leaning Democratic. There are relatively few in the JStreet/AOC/Bernie wing of the party. This past election actually reinforced the moderate wing of the party since it is clear from election results around the country that there is little support for the most extreme progressive views and Republicans actually did much better then expected at the state level. Look at the results of several statewide referendums in California if you have any doubts.

Any Jew who cares about Israel should be as scared as heck of the Biden Administration, read the Black Lives Matter position on Israel, and Harris marches in lockstep with BLM.

In a word: No.

The one Democratic poll that matters is the Democratic primary which was won by one of the most centrist Democrats in the pack. The party chose Biden and did not follow the radical example set by the Republican party faithful. The Democratic party is large and diverse. As President-elect Biden said “The grim era of demonization ends now”

Special call out to the many frum Jews in Teaneck who helped reelect centrist Democrat Josh Gottheimer a true friend of Israel and chairman of the bipartisan problem solvers caucus.

Welcome! Thanks for popping in!

@CrazyKano “The one Democratic poll that matters is the Democratic primary which was won by one of the most centrist Democrats in the pack ”
Lets see, Bowman beat Engle, Jones replace Lowy, sadly I think your out of touch with reality.
PS Josh Gottheimer race was rated safe Democratic from the onset, all of Teaneck could of voted for the other guy and he would have still won.

See https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1918314/read-the-letter-agudath-israel-congratulates-president-elec-biden.html

@commonsaychel – Bowman and Jones were elected in a liberal stronghold of NYC. There are NYC and San Fransisco Democrats who are clearly progressive and liberal but there are also centrist Democrats like Henry Cueller of Texas and Abigail Spanberger of West Virginia. In the one poll representative of the national Democratic party as a whole, the party chose a centrist that is what truly matters.

@motcha 11 – The first amendment includes freedom of assembly. It was Trump who tried to use the insurrection act against those who assemble against his will. Sec. Esper opposed Trump’s authoritarian impulses and that is why he was fired today.

Also, would you care to back up your claims that Democrats have fought against free speech and religious expression? Please provide examples to back up your assertions.

@crazyKanoiy, are you kidding me?? the 17th CD is a Liberal stronghold? That Rockland and Westchester Counties, Trump won Rockland with 65% of the vote and Jones opponent won 40% of the Westchester vote in spite of not campaigning and spending the grand total of $10,000 on her campaign.
Bigger proof the the national democratic congressional sentiments is the the fact the blue dog coalition is 26 members a mere 10% of the Congressional Democrats and Congressional Progressive Caucus has 95 members of 40% of the Democratic congress members.

Why do we even live in such a world to ask the question? Does a Biden win effect the fate of a unified Ireland or does it result in the US endorsing ethnic cleansing of the emerald isle?
When I change the nouns, it shows just how offensive politicians and radicals really are.

“Bowman beat Engle, Jones replace Lowy”

Jones is fine. He gave an interview to Mishpacha after the primary. He called out the vile anti-Semitic leaders of the Rockland County Republican Party. And he distanced himself from AOC, Tlaib, and Omar.

Bowman is a problem.

Also new in Congress is Ritchie Torres, a far left gay Afro-Latino who didn’t even ask the Democratic Socialists of America for their endorsement (DSA didn’t endorse Biden either). Torres is a true believing Zionist!

Interesting that we have a lot of gay bashing on this site but it is the two new gay representatives, Jones and Torres, who are our friends, and the two straight representatives, Bowman and Ocasio-Cortez, who aren’t.

Crazykanoiy, are you kidding? Canada is the home of enforced political correctness.

Charlie,

First of all, why is it a chiddush for you that people are complex? Anyway, maybe gays are pro-Zionist because they know what happens to gays in Moslem countries.

In fact, I will one-up you. The Israeli Minister of Internal Security, Amir Ohana, is publicly gay and lives with another man. He is also very far to the right, railed against anti-Hareidi articles in the press and has constantly harshly criticized the Supreme Court and even said that he would disobey the judges if he thought that a decision would harm national security.

This question seems odd. Of course American Jews, like all Jews, care about E”Y. It is Hashem’s holy land, and we daven at least three times each day that Hashem send Mashiach and return us all there BB”A.

But none of the discussion here has anything to do with Eretz Yisrael.

If the question was do we care about our brethren in E”Y, then the answer to that is, of course we do, just like we care about our brethren in France, China or anywhere else.

If the question is “Do American Jews care about [international relationships with] the Zionist State of Israel?” then that is an entirely different question.

The answer to that the question is:
1. The question is really irrelevant because this country has a strategic interest that Israel maintain its QME, or Qualitative Military Edge. It has nothing to do with Jews, antisemitism, and the like but rather plain strategic interest. So our elections are largely irrelevant to the State of Israel.
2. We (those who do not worship at the idolatrous altar of Zionism) recognize that Zionism and its State have always been an enormous liability and cause of suffering to the Jewish people. So, we have zero interest in the Zionist regime (the State of Israel) that has invaded large portions of E”Y over a century ago and that has shmaded our brethren there and world-wide. We care only about our brethren (Jews) world-wide.

“Bowman and Jones were elected in a liberal stronghold of NYC. ”

Jones’ district does not include any part of NYC. And he is fine on Israel; he gave an interview to Mishpacha Magazine in which he went out of his way to distance himself from the anti-Israel nutjobs. The scary thing is that the frum areas of Rockland County, with a vile anti-Semitic local Republican Party, still voted Republican this year.

Ritchie Torres also won in the South Bronx and he is a true believing Zionist!

“idolatrous altar of Zionism”

If I wanted to read vile anti-Zionist garbage I’d go read Rashida Tlaib’s Tweets or Linda Sarsour’s Facebook Page.

To the original @techeles.

Moving to Canada isn’t a good idea for an American Jew unless he has a real reason too. There’s plenty of more Limud in Lakewood than Toronto. Many Torontons end up moving to Lakewood.

I do admit that American Jews don’t understand what it’s like to be a 2nd World country like Israel or let alone a conflict region since they are comfortable in a 1st World country. The same is true for Canadian Jews. Many Americans learn in Israel but then come back. I think someone should just find a place and stick to it.

@charliehall, in the time of Yithzak Rabin, there weren’t many advocates for an Arab State in Israel as there are today under the looney social justice warriors. So in today’s world, the card-carrying Right-Winger Netanyahu has had to at least claim to endorse some type of Arab state. It will be very strange to teach Israeli history…