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NON CORONA TOPIC: Why would anyone voted Biden?
Is it only because of Trumps supposed chesronos (deficiencies) ??such as (according to twisted liberal ideology) not being politically correct and trying to protect the US from Mexican gangsters??
or IS THERE SOMETHING IN BIDEN SPECIFICALLY WHICH PEOPLE LIKE?
All I see is his extremely poor communication and dementia
Read the recent “Open Letter” from Rabbi Avi Shafran (spokesperson of the Agudah) co-signed by several Rabbonim. There’s no mitzva to vote for Trump. And to think that he’s so much better than Biden because of his position on Israel is misguided at best, and a dangerous precedent at worst.
I have no interest in voting a Red menuval or a Blue shoteh as President. However, I can see that people like Biden’s opinions on publicly funded programs that can help many Yeshivos and yungerleit who rely on the government for their healthcare and basic welfare. Very similar to Trump’s position when he ran for president in 2000.
Please define “dementia” and show how it applies specifically to Mr. Biden. Please use actual documented examples.
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He will work on the following once elected.
1) PROTECTING AMERICANS AND RECOVERING FROM THE COVID-19
PANDEMIC
2) BUILDING A STRONGER, FAIRER ECONOMY
3) ACHIEVING UNIVERSAL, AFFORDABLE, QUALITY HEALTH CARE
4) PROTECTING COMMUNITIES AND BUILDING TRUST BY REFORMING OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
5) HEALING THE SOUL OF AMERICAYou can read the details in the Democratic party platform.
FYI: most Americans do not see what you see.
If you have a large family, and receive many entitlements (food stamps, medicare or medicaid or a CHIP program, housing assistance), unless you run a business, you are probably better off economically under the Democrats. If you aren’t a fanatic zionist, Biden is no worse than any other Democrats in terms of aiding Israel (though he won’t support “transfer”). While Biden supports or tolerates many very morally dubious policies, most Yidden have historically assumed the goyim are amoral and don’t see that as very shocking. More frum Jews (unlike our non-observant cousins) are fairly poor and benefit from the Democrats largesse (and taxing and spending are what Democrats do best).
To avoid 4 more years of having a vile, narcissistic, racist and misogynistic bully occupying the WH. Otherwise, I really don’t have a lot of strong feelings on the matter one way or the other.
Thank you, jackk.
If we had a truly fair and democratic election system, almost nobody would vote for Biden. Unfortunately, we have a system in which Biden doesn’t have to be a decent candidate, he just has to be better than Trump.
Biden unseated a well known incumbent in the U.S. Senate, before he turned thirty. Evidently, there is reason to vote for him besides for his long track record.
There is not any real concerns with a Joe Biden Presidency. Even if you disagree with some of his policies. If you do not want to vote for Trump, there is no “well, at least he is not Biden argument”. If you are voting for Trump, can you give some real reasons based on real life?
Trump himself cannot. Not because there aren’t any- rather it is just the type of person he is. I can make a solid pitch to vote for Trump. Can you?
Dear Reb Yid,
Biden was a leading candidate for president three separate times. And, he won the primary elections over multiple candidates. Can you list more worthy politicians currently serving in Congress?
If you are voting for Trump, can you give some real reasons based on real life?
His predecessor, Obama, spent eight years doing his best to flush America down the toilet. If Clinton had won the 2016 election, she would have continued doing the same. If Biden wins the 2020 election, he will do the same.
President Trump has done an excellent job of undoing his predecessor’s misguided and disastrous policies. He was the right man for the job, and the right man to spend another four years doing the job.
Akuperma: I respectfully disagree with your analysis from a tax/welfare perspective for the following reasons:
1) Child tax credit – Under prior administrations, the child tax credit was $1k per child. Under Trump it became $2k. Under the prior administration, the credit began to dissipate at an income of $150k. Under Trump it dissipates at $400k. We all know that frum families can use the child tax credit not only because of the size of frum families but also because frum families are generally at a much higher income than the general population. The direct savings to the frum world is tremendous and quite frankly the savings trickle on to the mosdos. A frum person with 7 kids and an income of $200k is putting an actual $14,000 directly into his own pocket because of Trump.
2) Assistance: while government assistance is helpful, it is much more vital to people without a community structure. BH we have each and other and Satmar. We believe in chessed. We believe is Tzedaka. We take care of our own.
So while there certainly will be many frum Jews who did not benefit from the Trump structure, when taken as as a whole, Trump’s tax plan fits much better with the frum community.
I believe in the US democracy and that Trump is a dangerous threat to it’s foundation
Dear Dovid,
Thanks for responding! But that is not a real answer. It is a generic one. The same could be said about any person, in any government position.
By the way, my biggest peeve with Trump is that he expanded on Obama’s overuse of executive powers. He campaigned for smaller government, and we got another oversized administration.
It is worth reading the suggested Open Letter above from Rav Shafran of the Aguda and others on his website.
You are an idiot if you think you can have UNIVERSAL, AFFORDABLE, QUALITY HEALTH CARE. At most you can have 2 of 3 but its asinine to think you can ever have all 3
But that is not a real answer. It is a generic one.
It’s a true answer, and the only one that matters.
Dear Resident,
Medicare was all three on a smaller scale, before insurance lobbies wrecked regular coverage.
Dear Dovid,
It is true,
says you.
May I have
A reason or two?PS After I gave you my opinion that Trump is Obama on steroids, your answer fell apart. Unless you would have chosen to ignore me. Which you did not.
Even more, if it is true, than by definition there has to be more answers. 😄
Rabbi of Crawley. You’re 100% correct. No reason to vote for Joe the creepy geezer. Anyone telling you otherwise is wacked out on leftist koolaid.
#Trump2020
Your nuts if you vote for Bidenvoting for Trump just makes sense.
in all times people sided with the ohev yisrael, and what is trump if not that? he did more for jews than any of the last few presidents.
and regarding money, all middle income people-which is majority of the orthodox community have been benefiting from greatest tax cuts our generation has seen.Some people believe strongly in social justice and because of their good intentions they are willing to look past issues within the ideology. There are also those who know little about politics and really believe that Trump is comparable to Hitler ymsh. They think it’s their duty to vote him out and save the world. Finally, there are people who believe in Marxist ideologies and think that it would be ideal. Those people are willing to sacrifice freedom, truth, and justice, to pave the way for the implementation of those ideals.
Some people have good intentions, such as the first mentioned group, others not so much. Ultimately, those who support Biden have an entire different life view, which to them, makes their position justified and good.
Personally, the values with which I was raised dictate that I hold other beliefs.
“Trump is comparable to Hitler ymsh.”
Just tonight, Trump refused to condemn white supremacists and told one such group to “stand by”. Previously he had endorsed a neo-Nazi in a congressional primary.
“the values with which I was raised dictate that I hold other beliefs”
The values that any Jew holds dictate that Trump is wrong and must be stopped. Unless the Jew has turned his back on Jewish values.
No, Trump isn’t Hitler ymsh, he has denounced white supremacy and isn’t pushing for discrimination against any group.
I’m involved in leftist spaces, and can confidently say that they are some of the worst anti semites. People will call themselves activists and then ignore when Jews are attacked for their beliefs. We are lucky that some larger communities face little anti semitism on a daily basis, but many individuals in America are threatened just for their existence. I can say that I have RARELY faced any form of hatred from conservatives, although there’s plenty of it on the far right.
It’s also obvious that some of the politicians in the Democratic party are blatantly anti semitic and hold values that would destroy the ability for people to live freely in this country.
I do research from multiple sources which hold drastically different viewpoints before I determine which aspects of a report are true. If I hear that a political figure does something of concern I sift through reports from both sides of the aisle and based on the commonalities, I can determine which aspects are factual and which are biased twists of the action. Maybe you should try that.
We should all keep in mind that voting in the US gives us only 2 choices. This means one votes for the less bad candidate, not necessarily the ideal candidate, as ideal candidates do not make it to the finals.
Trump REFUSED to denounce white supremacy last night, and as charlie pointed out he even told one extremist group to standby.
Also, it would be prudent of us all to evaluate a person’s actions as a whole. Trump doesn’t seem to be anti-Semitic, or to hate a particular group at all. He’s been in office long enough that we would’ve found him out.
Huju makes a good point in that neither choice would be ideal and we need to choose the candidate which follows policies which best suit this countries interest.
In response to Tachles1, you HEAR that these people are white supremacists, but over the past few years people have been labeled whatever the left wants them labeled. Reading a CNN headline doesn’t qualify as research. This group is more closely aligned with isolationist and constitutional views. Within the group there may be anti-semites, but they aren’t white supremacists as a whole.
Additionally, the left will call this same group anti-Semitic for its preferences of putting the American budget and safety above Israel, then the Left will go and say “I’m not anti-Semitic, I’m anti-Zionist” and “I only hate Israelis, not Jews”. Think for yourselves.
lets be fair. trump was asked to denounce white supremacy and he did. he then instructed proud boys to stand down and standby. perhaps like me, trump does not view the proud boys as a white supremacy organization.
my takeaway from last night: trump was a bully and reminded me why i dislike his personality and hope and pray none of my children look up to him as a role model. at times, i felt bad for biden who just looked like an old man being bullied. as biden spoken i learned that he is really not a very articulate person and i also began to fear putting this recovery into his hands. even more than the fear i have of trusting biden with the recovery, i began to yearn for a recovery in the hand of a trump presidency, whose strength projected poorly in general but well in when it came to the economy. I also saw trump speak enough about liberal causes, like justice reform, that assuaged my overall left-leaning politics. i began to see a vote for biden as taking a huge risk economically, in order to further liberal agendas I believe in. Sof davar, the decision on my vote, which is ultimately based on hakarat hatov, did not change.
“He will work on the following once elected.
1) PROTECTING AMERICANS AND RECOVERING FROM THE COVID-19
PANDEMIC
2) BUILDING A STRONGER, FAIRER ECONOMY
3) ACHIEVING UNIVERSAL, AFFORDABLE, QUALITY HEALTH CARE
4) PROTECTING COMMUNITIES AND BUILDING TRUST BY REFORMING OUR
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
5) HEALING THE SOUL OF AMERICAYou can read the details in the Democratic party platform.
FYI: most Americans do not see what you see.”
WHAT WAS HE DOING THE PAST 47 YEARS
“If you have a large family, and receive many entitlements (food stamps, medicare or medicaid or a CHIP program, housing assistance), unless you run a business, you are probably better off economically under the Democrats. If you aren’t a fanatic zionist, Biden is no worse than any other Democrats in terms of aiding Israel (though he won’t support “transfer”). While Biden supports or tolerates many very morally dubious policies, most Yidden have historically assumed the goyim are amoral and don’t see that as very shocking. More frum Jews (unlike our non-observant cousins) are fairly poor and benefit from the Democrats largesse (and taxing and spending are what Democrats do best)”
YOUD HAVE SAID THE SAME IN THE 1920-30S ABOUT NATIONAL SOCIOLIST
“Trump himself cannot. Not because there aren’t any- rather it is just the type of person he is. I can make a solid pitch to vote for Trump. Can you?”
yeh i can
why wouldnt i suport trump?????? who wouldnt support a president that has accomplish so much in his first 3 yrs????
lets recap some of his achievements of 2017,2018, and 2019!!!!Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
He has created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since his election.
Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
Under his Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. He is are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
Record number of regulations eliminated.
Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
The Trump Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to his efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
He reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
He has reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during his first year in office.
Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem!!!!!!!!!!!!
Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway.
Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
He has begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.#thank you trump KEEP AMERICA GREAT
#drops the mikeSam1, you forgot to mention the 31.4% second quarter GDP contraction and 26.8 Trillion National Debt from the National Debt Clock. It increased by 5.2 Trillion since Trump took office. By neglecting the virus more than 20 million people are on unemployment and how many businesses went bankrupt? Deficit over 3 Trillion this year.
Trump was unable to condemn white supremacists. The choice is crystal clear, he is a danger to our democracy and our country. The Proud Boys/Neo Nazis are celebrating this morning that’s all one needs to know. How can anyone who believes in democracy support this?
And this is what Trump could not and will not condemn-White Supremacy. If you support him you give support tot his to
Proud Boys:
Ideology: Primarily alt lite: Misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and anti-immigration. Some members espouse white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideologies and/or engage with white supremacist groups.
Membership: Unknown, likely several hundred.
Notable characteristics: Members frequently wear black and yellow Fred Perry polo shirts.
Global footprint: Proud Boys have chapters in most states and several international chapters in Britain, Norway and Australia.
Membership: Controlled by local chapter leadership and subject to initiation rituals.
Tactics: Public rallies and protests. Members have been known to engage in violent tactics; several members have been convicted of violent crimes.“By neglecting the virus more than 20 million people are on unemployment and how many businesses went bankrupt?”
duh, take a lockdown plus aaaaaaaaaaawfuuuuuuuuuuuul riots and expect the economy to jump right back… ridiculous!
Rabbi of Crawley, if I were you, I would not speak of extreme poor communication with your contradictory tenses in the title of this topic.
SOM1, you mess it up for the liberals when you present facts. I don’t think it’s fair to use facts in discussions with liberals because it completely throws them off.
so sad that so many people are fooled by Bidens facade. He’s a robot to the liberal left. He’ll be incapacitated within a year or two mentally.
We know Trump isn’t a mentch but he’s gotten the job done and from the only ones that see things clearly regarding the virus. Biden sees it like this. Close the economy, people are dying from the virus.
Trumps sees it like this. People are dying from the virus. If we leave the country totally closed more people will lose their entire businesses bringing them into clinical depression. Drug and alcohol addiction will go up. Children won’t function properly. So Trump says, we must make a balance. People at risk should properly protect themselves. Otherwise life must resume. Wear masks when neccessary. Yes you may get the virus. But it’s not a deadly illness for the vast majority.
So sad that people are fooled by Biden and the Liberal left.And Law enforcement. Basically Biden wants to dismantle Law enforcement. He wants to social services involved instead. What a clown. And people so sadly fall for that.
No wonder why our cities were torn apart by the riots and Deblasio and his cronies just stood bye. Well, well see alot more of that with Biden the robot.HIE, It says לעולם יהי’ אדם, first be a mentch which you admit Trump is not. Biden will rely on good advisors whereas Trump fires his best advisors thinking that he knows better than anyone else.
Reb Eliezer, It’s not that Biden will listen to his advisors, it’s that they will own him.
Trump has a brain, quite a smart one.
And by the way, Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky shlita said we must have hakaras hatov for the president has done for us.
We follow Daas Torah. period.A smart person is not afraid to listen to the others advice which he disagrees with in order not to have tunnel vision. The Midrash Shmuel explains tbat the Beis Hilel wanted because of their humility, which they kearned from their rebbi, allow the Beis Shamai to reveal their view first before they let their own view be known, thereby the Beis Shamai also became praiseworthy by helping the Beis Hilel arrive to the truth.
emetemet -“The Proud Boys/Neo Nazis are celebrating this morning that’s all one needs to know. How can anyone who believes in democracy support this?”
With all the Rioting this year by the Left Loonies – How can anyone who believes in democracy support the DemonCrats? They are the ones who Never denounced them, but also Refused to hold them accountable for their Law-breaking!
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