Charliehall, there is nobody in the USA who would abolish the necessity defense for abortion. I also don’t believe your claim that there is any other country where this is true, but even if it’s true it’s irrelevant to us. It is NOT the goal of the pro-life movement, ANY of it, and it is NOT the Catholic Church’s position. It’s because you lie about that that I don’t believe you about other countries. Harotze leshaker yarchik eduso.
The Catholic Church allows whatever is necessary to to be done, so long as the goal to save the mother’s life, not to kill the baby. If the baby dies as an unavoidable result of that legitimate life-saving, that is unfortunate but not a sin. And that is EXACTLY the Torah’s position.
Yes, we differ on IVF, and it would be unfortunate if IVF were to be banned, but it would be a very small and affordable price to pay for the great good of banning abortion and ending the current Holocaust.
“That’s outright murder”
No it isn’t. If it were, it would be treated as such in halachah.
It is. Halacha treats killing an unborn baby EXACTLY THE SAME WAY it treats killing a nochri. And I’d bet anything that you will NOT accept the proposition that killing a nochri is not outright murder! You’re right not to accept it because it’s obviously false; but you have to accept the corollary, that killing an unborn baby is also outright murder. There is nothing you can point to to distinguish them.