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klugeryid
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I dont know if you have a source that tells you this, my point is you dont need one. We all have a G-d given sense of morality. Why isnt there an onesh beis din for incitining mass murder? good question, and it needs a teiritz, (I’m sure you are aware of the whole sugya divrei harav etc) . but the fact that there is no onesh doesnt mean it is a low crime.

I can’t pull the source for my answer to this (lol I realize) but if I remember correctly, b “d cannot judge someone for causation. Only for actual actions (and their direct fallout ie you push something off a roof, you have to pay for its breakage, even though you didn’t break it) but indirect results (without getting into the exact cutoff, we are discussing an idea not parameters) are not in the purview of earthly courts.
However In heaven, they can and do judge based on grama as well, (there are many sources for this idea, just to bring one, the Chafetz Chaim says, if you speak לש”הר about someone and he loses his job because of you, דמו ודם זרעיותיו you are responsible for. Meaning you are responsible for the fallout of your action.)
So my previous post not withstanding, though, ordering a killing is less severe of a sin than actually killing, In the heavens they will hold him accountable for killing all those people. (just if he had actually done it it would have been worse) hence my statement that he is rotting in hell permanently