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“I assume the punishment is a barometer of severity unless told otherwise,
You assume, what? That it’s random? Just a Hodge podge of punishments randomly assigned to sins? Help me out here.
furthermore you got me to rethin another position, that is tangentially related to this, namely does every halachic position need “proof” or are some obvious.
Many are obvious, and don’t really NEED proof.
But they must all be provable”
YES!
now this is the crux of our disagreement, and what I meant by lack of critical thinking.
when faced by a question “what is worse stealing or rape? ” there are 2 approaches:
1) Obviously rape is worse! what kind of question is that, aye why isnt there a worse onesh? good question, I’m not sure. Maybe it is yet another exception, to the general rule. but as they say fin a kasha shtarbt men nisht, perhaps the question is better than the tereitz . But that doesn’t change the reality.
or
2) well stealing gets a worse onesh so its worse. Aye Im pretty sure anybody would rather the former? I’ not even sure what the response is? Theyre wrong they should prefer the latter . This approach leads to really absurd conclusions that are logically untenable.
I mean should a penuyah submit to prevent her attacker from taking her money? could a thinking person even have such a hava amina?
again, I dont have PROOF that she shouldn’t.
do I need to provide proof?
Are you unsure?
” You assume, what? That it’s random? Just a Hodge podge of punishments randomly assigned to sins? Help me out here.”
i’m not sure how to answer that. I dont understand what exactly it is about cursing a parent that warrants speciifly stoning vs hitting that warrants chenek. . that doesnt mean I think it is random.
“”I assume the punishment is a barometer of severity unless told otherwise,”
yes generally true. but what if it just cant be otherwise?
Unless you are saying that yes it is possible that stealing is worse than rape.
Is that a position you can accept?
Or put another way. Both of us are stumped.
either
Of course rape is worse. I have no idea why it doesn’t get a worse punishment
Or
Of course stealing is worse, it has a worse punishment! I have no idea why rape seems so bad?
What is pushing you to prefer the 2nd approach, especially when you concede that there are exceptions to the general rule ?