In the case of a non Jew that was meanes a non Jewish woman,
One can punish him for stealing.
But again that’s not any different than punishing him for taking her pen.
And it’s possibly only if she “was never married ”
But my point is that the western horror attached to “meanes ” seems to be completely missing from the Torah View.
Something which I have found makes most people very edgy when confronted with.
And that is my main point. Most people I know (myself included) are very much impacted by western ideals, to the extent that when confronted with straight Torah ideals our instinctive reaction is often, that nuts, that can’t be… That’s just Josef trolling. When often it’s actually truth
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