Another chareidi soldier has complained of being singled out for being a soldier in the IDF. He explains that while walking with family members in Bnei Brak, he became the victim of verbal assault for serving in the military. He is quoted by Kikar Shabbat saying “I feel uncomfortable walking around in uniform in Bnei Brak” but he is compelled to do so in line with IDF regulations. Officials in the IDF Intelligence Corps are considering revising regulations to accommodate chareidi soldiers due to incidents such as this one.
The soldier reports it was especially embarrassing for him that he children were witness to the ugly words leveled at him.
Officials in the Intelligence Corps last week told members of the chareidi media that in all likelihood they will permit soldiers from the chareidi sector to travel in civilian clothes instead of a uniform to avoid such occurrences. In the meantime, the campaign against ‘chardakim’ continues.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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They shouldn’t “shtuch” the community in the eye, knowing that the community is anti-tzioni and opposed to the IDF and service. If they have to be in town, they should have decency and common courtesy to do so out of uniform.
Good for Him!
One Friday afternoon thirty years ago in Bnei Brak, I arrived too early for my Shabbat hosts and sat down on a park bench and opened a sefer. A lovely kid in peyot approached me carefully, looked me up and down, and spat “batlan!” (= a bum, not one of batlanei beit ha-knesset). At the time, I reflected on how right he was if he watched me all day long, but looking at it today I wonder what he taught his kids to say to Jews in IDF uniform.
Yankee fans who wore their team cap in Brooklyn 60 years were harassed.
#4 What a dumb statement. Probably was verbal abuse and not physical abuse or a combination of bothe.
What a busha to keep hearing more and more of these statement!!! I quess we can then allude to the fact that all “Charedi ABUSE” is due to the laws of gender discrimination, religious coercion, etc. of the past government.
First: You know, akuperma, you’ve said many intelligent things on your posts, and posted many articulate comments, regardless of my agreement with them. This one was neither. I almost wonder if someone was impersonating your nom-de-plum (if I didn’t know better).
Second: I am so proud to have raised my children quite chareidi but at the same time with the cognizance that every soldier for the IDF despite his religious affiliation or initial willingness to serve, is playing a serious role few among us would ask for, namely to be willing on a daily basis to be moser nefesh al kiddush Hashem. That’s enough for me. Politics ought to be left to the politicians. Soldiers deserve honor, appreciation, and respect. Shame on those misguided and their offspring. I taught my kids to rise to their feet in front of an IDF Officer and I do not regret it. (And am currently proud and privileged to have two-sons-in-law who have honorably served, I might add.) All in favor say AYE
yu should not be provoking frumme yidden by wearing the shmutz uniform in chareidi streets just like you should not dress pritzusdik when walking dowmn mea shearim it is insensitive
#1 –
Apparently, you didn’t read the article. They are NOT allowed to be out of uniform, at least as things stand now. They have no choice but to wear it.
But, let’s put that aside for a minute. Whether or not they are in uniform, what is the heter to transgress the issurim of embarressing someone in public and ono’as devarim? Does the campaign against the “chardakim” so kodesh that it overrides Torah prohibitions??!
We have to assume that each chareidi soldier consulted with his rav or posek before joining the IDF, as we have to be “dan lekaf zechus.” How can we then ostracize, belittle and castigate someone for following the psak that he recieved?
Oh what I would do to have the zechus to punch one of these rishoim who give these soldiers a hard time right in their face…
#1-
1. Most of Bnei Brak votes and takes money from the government. They are not anti-Zionist. They are UTJ and Sha”s, not Satmar and NK.
2. According to your reasoning, should a charedi who is going to a Zionist area remove his garb so as not to ‘shtuch the community in the eye’? Would you deem it reasonable if he didn’t and was taunted and chased through the streets?
#8 and #10, +1! #2and #3(Joe), Outrageous!
ujm, you are out of sorts. no one can dictate how to dress., whether in bnei brak or meah sharim. The man has concealed his ervah, and wearing a uniform only offends idiots and mad men. The normal avreich realizes that the state is not the end of the era of the geula, but merely the beginning.
The soldier puts his life on the line so the avreich can learn. The avreich in turn should be learning l’shma (not to be a rav or talmud chachum) so that the land is safe. The two should work together, not against each other.
The key is respect and the realization that no one really knows what HaShem has in mind., except that we are his children and that when we, His children. act nicely one to the other in spite of our differences, G-d is happy with us.
Let us all understand a few facts:
1. Not all people are able to sit in kollel and learn all day. Some of us need to go to work even in Eretz Yisroel!!
2. In order to get a job in Isreal legally one most first serve in the army!!
Now that we know the facts I ask you a question. If you have a guy in kollel that does not belong there and must go to work but can only get a job if he serves in the army what should he do waste his life away in kollel or get a low paying job illegally?
The answer is clear that we send him to work and not to waste his life away in kollel. But he must serve in the army so what gives us the right to make fun of another Jew that is doing the right thing for himself.
If you can learn a full day in kollel may Hashem bless you and help you go on many more years. But if one can not sit and learn all day he is doing the right thing by getting a job. But he first has to go to the army. AND THAT GIVES NO BODY THE RIGHT TO MAKE FUN OF ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!!
Such sin’a, lo aleinu.
And we’re aproching bein hamitzarim.
Hashem Yerachem.
#6- Kol hakavod to you! If every chareidi had the same seichel and decency that you do, the matzav in E”Y would be much better.
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The Gadol Hadorah, Rav Shach welcomed his granddaughter and grandson into the holy yeshiva of Ponevitch when they were in uniform. Stop BLAMING THE VICTIMS,,,,an IDF uniform is not treif, shmutz or anything but a person who is doing his duty for his country.
#10-
The only way you can expect a Chareidi in Tel Aviv to remove his hat is if you insist that a Chiloni in Bnei Brak wear a Kapute and Shtreimel.