AUO, you’re quoting your rebbe and saying you need to understand him while saying we can’t rely on our gedolim as a lame excuse. Which is it?
You’re losing cheshbon and we’re 8 pages deep into this sugya so it’s time for a sikum.
2 questions on the floor:
1. should a non-chabad join chabad?
2. Should an existing chabadsker drop chabad?
Tha answer to 1. is clearly no. We have established that
a. The rebbe said full-fledged apikorsus/kefira by saying you are allow to daven to the rebbe because the rebbe is one body with Hashem. This violates numerous ikrei emunah. (You fully admit that the sicha on its face value is kefira/minnus, just that you claim we need to be melamed zechus and be metareitz dibburo, which lacks a source that it’s our job to do so when the kefira is black-and-white)
b. Many Lubavitchers take it at face value, as even you admit. They daven to the Rebbe and say things like the rebbe will help and the rebbe runs the world, clearly indicating the rebbe is the equivalent of Hashem. They say everything the Rebbe touched has Elokus, and the Rebbe can’t make a mistake even though even Moshe Rabbeinu made a mistake as explicitly stated in this week’s parsha. You just say that this isn’t chabad philosophy, and people make mistakes. But that means you’re saying moshiach caused people to worship avoda zara, even as you are metareitz dibburo to say he didn’t say what he said. Since avoda zara isn’t battul, then even one apikoires in Lubavitch means stay away, kol shekein when it looks like official Chabad philosophy.
c. Many gedolim said that Chabad is avoda zara/apikorsus. You admit that too, but say the fact that they attack the Rebbe for saying kefira means they lose their status as gedolim. But everyone else holds of them. And they are confirming what is obvious to everyone who sees that sicha, that the rebbe turned his entire movement into direct avoda zara by claiming that a rebbe is on par with Hashem. So no need to say they made a mistake or got their facts wrong when we see they were correct.
You agree with me that there are full-fledged ovdei avoda zara in Chabad based on understanding the sicha at face value, which rather explicitly says it’s ok to daven to the rebbe. You are just claiming he didn’t mean what he said, and it’s somehow coincidence that even normal chabadskers say things like “der rebbe vet helfn ” and The rebbe runs the world as if to imply that it’s the rebbe, not Hashem. In the gemara there is a concept of metareitz lediburo. If someone says apikorsus, then moridin velo maalin. Not my job to be metareitz diburo. It’s HIS job to correct the record. He had many years after publishing that to publish a retraction or correct the record. Shtika kehoda’ah. He said kefira and meant it.
So the answer to question # 2. is yes, Chabadskers should abandon chabad. They don’t have to become misnagdim. They can join Lionzer or other Chabad non-Lubavitch breakaways that retain Chabad but dump the kefira/apikorsus. Please do so. Klal yisroel needs you. Be like Yisro- abandon the avoda zara to go tachas kanfei hashechina. We eagerly await you.