“You mean you don’t think chokim (stuff like kashrus) should have any bearing on law.”
Not quite, I mean Religion should have no bearing on law. we can quibble on your definition of “chok” kashrus is not necessarily a chok. Furthermore even things that are not a chok, I’m not sure I (and you?) would support all of it being legislating. Kibud Av (and related mitzvos) isnt a chok, would you support the death penalty for hitting a father?
The bottom line is, if youre argument as to why something should be allowed/forbidden falls back onto “well that is what the Torah/ -levadil elef alfei hevdalim- /bible/Koran / gospel of the FSM says” then that is not a reason laws should be made
” Obviously you don’t really think theft and murder should be legal (even though it seems like you basically said so a couple of posts later”
I’m not sure what post you are referring to I explicitly said so: “Those should be laws because as a society we are better off if we all don’t steal and kill. .that is why stealing should be illegal and punished not because Judaism or lehavdil any religion says so.”
” Almost all frum yidden do NOT consider the issur on abortion to be a chok. ”
No its certainly not. I’m not sure what youre point is . And as as an aside, I mentioned I personally am completely opposed to abortion once the fetus is viable. I am STRICTER than halacha I know of a case where I would have forbidden an abortion that a Rav allowed , but the bottom line is if halacha allows it I think she should have access.
“As to why you do have that perception, I reiterate what I said earlier, you’ve been adversely influenced by socially liberal friends.”
what perception?
while you said that earlier you are wrong then and now . My friends are all socially conservative (you may even be one of them!) Regarding this issue I am influenced by frum women whose cases I know of.
You dont seem to realize that this cases really exist you have this mistaken notion that things fall neatly into required or forbidden. Life threatening and non-life threatening. Until I became familiar with actual cases, (and the medical field) I too thought the same.
your opinion on this subject is strictly driven by ignorance as to both the medical and halachic realities (To give you the benefit of the doubt)
your last paragraph was very interesting. Though not related to the issue at hand
do you think adultery should be ilegal?