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I did not mean Burger’s view was Torah misinai. My point was that there was no outcry on his misrepresenting the historical view

“However, we do have a case of District of Columbia v. Heller, the court said there is an individual constitutional right to have a handgun in one’s home for self-protection. Per our current courts, it is a right.”

Yes no argument there. In Heller the court reinterpreted the law and said there was an individual right. I said this several times. I’m not sure what you are adding .

Earlier you said “For over 200 hundred years that was exactly how it was understood” Can you provide any evidence to this claim/ (note I am not asking for evidence how it was MEANT rather how it was UNDERSTOOD).

“Bring me a realistic case for a proper response”

sure!
My paretns run a strict home and set down a rule book for how to live our lives it says :
” A healthy breakfast being critical to start the day, the right of the children to eat cereal shall not be infringed”
would this guarantee the right of the children to eat fruity pebbles?

“We should compare USA to Israel, ….”

Whoa hold up! Earlier yo u said we cant compare USA to Israel and that if we do it somehow meant we had to have a draft and socialism
and besides I’m not sure where you get your stats from, with the exception of Switzerland all the countries you lsit have far fewer guns, and of course far fewer homicides than the US

“While Israel has standards for gun ownership, every 18 year old carries one”
This is false. The guns are registered, psychological profiles must be passed and reassesed. Look yo ucant have it both ways if you want to compare to ISrael fine, so lets have their gn ownership and restriction. If you dont, also fine. But picking thier gun ownership but ignoring the restrictions and hoping for a better outcome is nutty.

“In addition, over 65% of gun deaths are suicide, not murder. ”
Um yeah, and some scientists are now saying death by suicide is just as dead as homicide

” Per your argument, we should also restrict knives.”
Are you serious? I’m happy to explain the difference if you really need it explained. But for the record, d you not see the difference?

” However, the majority of gun homicides are committed against black people.”
Yep, though some studies are showing that black people are people too. I know I know thats pretty liberal of me.

“Even the CDC in 2013 reported that there are over 100, 000 times guns were used for self defense,”
Did I tel you about the guy taking colace and Imodium?

“While it is your opinion and right to not own a gun”
you are making lots of assumptions, who says I dont own one?

“Liberals needs to stop infringing people’s rights by enforcing their own ideals.”
This is gibberish. Though it sounds cool. Do I have the right to own grenades? (ITs in the second ammendment) Can I run red lights when I pinky swear no cars are coming? Just becasue other people will abuse this priverlage means I shouldnt be allowed to run reds?