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Chossid: “And who is bechlal the “Torah world”, and who made up this concept?”
The truth is that I had originally used the term “chareidim” but because I have seen lubavichers recoil at that term being used to describe them (and, to be honest, there are many lubavichers that I know that I would hesitate to call chareidim) i changed it to “the Torah world”.
So who are they? All chareidim who believe that to do things against halocho without a valid halocho source, is perverting the Torah.
You may note that in general I haven’t attacked lubavich for davening past zman tefilla, and this is because there have been gedolei olam of past generations who have sanctioned this if the davening was preceded by hours of proper preparation, and I believe that that’s where it started in lubavich as well. (I HAVE said that it is a problem in lubavich, but this is because I continue to see how it is abused by many people who treat davening with a minyan and zman tefilla as a joke.) But what I strongly object to is statements like, “We don’t believe in zman tefilla.” Yes, I have been told that on more than one occasion. That is a perversion of the Torah.

“So before you do that [i.e. learn the lubavicher rebbe’s chassidus] you should be quiet.
Case closed.”
Does that mean that I’m not allowed to argue? That is really powerful!
But just in case there are others who don’t considered the case against me closed, what about Rav Shach’s Torah. How many lubavichers learn Avi Ezri with the idea that they might understand his ways and shitos? Do you? (Oh! I forgot that I can’t address you because the case is closed.)
Futhermore, it’s not like I initiated an attack on, say, Satmar, that you can say to me that I should learn Al Hageulah V’al Hatemurah before I argue with him. I am arguing against lubavich who have been forcing their rebbe’s chassidus and shitos down my own throat for decades. If lubavichers tell me their shitos/hashkofos without me asking them to, and I argue with them, they then can’t turn around and tell me that before I argue with them I should learn their rebbe’s words inside. Don’t start and you won’t be attacked!