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Chossid, I read every word of your long and heartfelt post, and I see that you keep falling into the same hole.

– We have what to offer, by way of chabad chassidus, in terms of understanding and knowing kevayochol Hashem.
– Our rebbe spent so much time worrying only about others.
– Thousands of people attest to him being a tzaddik etc.
– Others just accept anything bad about Lubavich because they are looking for it.

Chabad chassidus as taught by the earlier rebbes certainly has what to offer to those seeking that line of thought. But, as your compatriot username pointed out recently, others believe that that is not the line of thought that should be sought, Furthermore, many people look at the situation in lubavich today and believe that all of the movement’s faults (SOME examples: lack of tznius, davening past the zman, unfiltered internet) are a direct result of lubavich concentrating on limud hachassidus and their obsession with Mashiach. They therefore conclude that it is a lot safer to keep away from chabad and their chassidus and to decline what it may have to offer.

Your rebbe spent “nights sitting with people in yechidus”, but how many nights a year was that? It wasn’t every night, and it was rarely if ever during the day. Did you know that there are other rebbes who spent every day and every night worrying about Klal Yisroel helping them individually and as a klal? And they don’t take money for it either. Yes, of course, many take money but in almost all the cases the money is used to help other Yidden. It’s not as if your rebbe didn’t get money from others for his own projects. There were big donors who gave money to lubavich and it was this money that was used by your rebbe at Sunday’s dollars, or to finance Likutei Sichos etc. Btw if you want to quote me some rebbes who do take money for personal use from people, and you think that that is improper, then leave them out of the equation. There are plenty of others who don’t.

Thousands of people attest to him being a tzaddik etc, but there are many Gedolei Yisroel (including virtually the entire Litvishe world) who think otherwise, and as Torah-true Yidden the view of Gedolei Yisroel carries far more weight than the view of ordinary people, many of whom were not even religious.

As far as looking for things in lubavich to badmouth, you have it totally wrong. We don’t have to look. It is shoved down our throats by your incessant propaganda machine! Wherever we go we see posters claiming your rebbe is Mashiach and/or how we can call a number and get answers to all our questions via the igros, we see lubavich pamphlets, e.g. Sichat Hashavua, in our shules where we didn’t ask for them. Even this thread was started by CS giving us an unbid explanation of how lubavich is right that we are in a state of Geulah. No one asked her for her views but she felt “compelled” to tell us all about it. Then when we push back and argue that it is a bunch of garbage and point out why we can’t take lubavich seriously we are accused of looking for ways to badmouth lubavich!

And here’s a quote from your post: “We don’t deny your Roshe yeshivois or rabbeim”
As you may recall, I am not a Litvak, but I have been disgusted to hear people say “Shach yemach shmoi” on more than one, and more than ten occasions. I have also heard other litvishe gedolim and, yes, even chassidishe rebbes, alive and not, being denigrated as if they were stupid, jealous fools. But no, you don’t deny other people’s roshei yeshivos or rabbeim!
I’ll grant you maybe you don’t, but there are vast numbers of other lubavichers who do, and they are mechanech kids that way too, kids who don’t even know who Rav Shach was.
Any non-lubavicher who has not yet given up reading this post may not believe this but I have heard yoiung lubavicher bochurim who think that the Shach on Shulchan Oruch was a bad guy!