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Chossid
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We still don’t quite see eye to eye on that. The title Nossi Hador implies more than tzadik hador or gadol hador. It is something akin to what Moshe Rabbeinu was, and applying that title to someone nowadays while meaning the same as tzadik hador is “cheating”.

Your right by saying “It is something akin to what Moshe Rabbeinu was”.

Which is exactly what it’s says in these two quotes brought before, that in EVERY generation (no matter how resent,) there is someone that has a nitzutz moishe atzmoi inside of him

וְאִתְפַּשְּׁטוּתָא דְּמֹשֶׁה בְּכָל דָּרָא וְדָרָא, כִּי מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ מִתְלַבֵּשׁ בְּכָל דּוֹר וָדוֹר בַּצַּדִּיק הָאֲמִתִּי שֶׁבַּדּוֹר.
And
והנה הצדיק שיש בו ניצוץ משה, הוא המנהיג את הדור וכל החכמים שבדורו טפלים לו, כי הם ענפים שלו
דגדול הדור נקרא כן שהוא ניצוץ משה רבינו ע”ה עצמו המתגלגל בכל דור

(You stated before it could be more then one, but either way the musig of a “Moshe rabbeinu” which is the manhig of that dor exist in every generation.)

Are you upset that the Rebbe calls it nossi hador, or that he referred to the friediker Rebbe as nossi hador? Because it doesn’t seem to be made up, or “cheating”.

“There are many tzaddikim over all the generations about who I believe were way above ordinary, but I do not believe that any of them went 72 hours without any sleep at all because if it’s the halachah it applies to every Yid. That’s what I meant when I said that your rebbe claimed to believe in the primary of halachah.”

If you believe that tzadikim have Ruach hakodesh, and saw stuff which other people didn’t, how do you explain this rambam?

שְׁנַּיִם שֶׁהֵעִידוּ וְאָמְרוּ בְּמִזְרַח הַבִּירָה הָרַג זֶה אֶת הַנֶּפֶשׁ בְּשָׁעָה פְּלוֹנִית וּבָאוּ שְׁנַיִם וְאָמְרוּ לָהֶן בְּמַעֲרַב הַבִּירָה הַזֹּאת הֱיִיתֶם עִמָּנוּ בָּעֵת הַזֹּאת. אִם יָכוֹל הָעוֹמֵד בְּמַעֲרָב לִרְאוֹת מַה שֶּׁבַּמִּזְרָח אֵינָן זוֹמְמִין. וְאִם אֵינוֹ יָכוֹל לִרְאוֹת הֲרֵי אֵלּוּ זוֹמְמִין וְאֵין אוֹמְרִין שֶׁמָּא מְאוֹר עֵינֵיהֶם שֶׁל רִאשׁוֹנִים רַב וְרוֹאִין מֵרָחוֹק יֶתֶר מִכָּל אָדָם.:

Even if they can “see” or know what’s going on במזרח while they are standing במערב (which according to norm you can’t see it) they still will be considered עדים זוממים, because we go according to norm, but that doesn’t take away the fact, that they had ruach hakodesh, and saw stuff which regular people didn’t see.
Halacha goes according to nature, some tzdikim wore a little bit higher then nature.

(This might not be an amazing rayeh but I’m sure you get the point, that Torah paskins according to the norm.)

So the same is with not sleeping.

“Chossid: “Where do you get this “unless” from?”
I get it from the Rambam where it is quite clear that even if a goy keeps 7 mitzvos he is doing nothing unless he is mekabel in front of three chaveirim. ”

It’s quite clear it’s only to be considered a גר תושב.
So its not worth nothing.