Coffee – How would you know if he was Moshiach Ben Yosef and Not Moshiach ben David? Simple – he was killed.
That’s not what I said or asked
This is what I said
Why couldn’t it be built by משיח בן יוסף who’ll be killed and משיח בן דוד still stand on it
Because you said
Thus, the correct reading is “Im Lo Asa Kol Zeh (and he’s dead) OR EVEN IF he did do all those things (build the bais hamikdash etc) but he was neherag, he still isn’t Mashiach, because he was Neherag.
(This answers up the rambam with the Gemear of Anavim (the famous song): How could Moshiach stand on the bais hamikdash if in order to built itwe need a king, and if a king builds it, he’s Moshiach? The answer is that the king built it but he was killed. Hence, he wasn’t Moshaich.)
And to laskern,
I don’t follow what you’re saying
coffee addict, we have to satisfy both since Aisov has to fall in the hand of Yosef but Moshiach comes from Dovid. We have to build the Beis Hamikdash together with Moshiach on which will come the one from fire.
I’m saying the בית המקדש coming from fire is already built in שמים through our מצות and moshiach will come with it
But if we’re not worthy we have to build it with משיח בן יוסף who died and then משיח בן דוד takes over
Sorry I’m using my phone to reply so can’t see what I’m writing so clearly and other people’s comments