Reply To: The world is in a state of Geula- and don’t misunderstand us!

YR:
“Some parts of Lubavich. Unfortunately it’s not a hava mina, as many meshichists take “atzmus areingeshtelt in a guf” literally enough that they daven to him and believe he answers the tefilla.”

Nope nobody davens to the Rebbe cvs.

“A meshichist – NOT elokist – told me that the Rebbe is on a higher level than simply tzaddik gozer and hashem mekayim – rather that the rebbe nasi hador is in in charge of the world and he can do things himself in this world, (his moshol – just like switching a light switch isn’t tzaddik gozer vehashem mekayim, but rather the person switching it does it, so too the Rebbe’s nissim in this world comes from him switching the light switch for that nes – he himself is actually doing it and not hashem, so therefore you can ask the rebbe requests and he’ll answer you.

I would assume CS agrees with this moshol.

And in myview (and Hashem’s view), it’s kefira, plain and simple.”

The way you explained it (ie doing it without Hashem cvs) is obviously wrong and incorrect. However I strongly
suspect this was your personal interpretation as no lubavitcher would speak or think that way. Now I wasnt present so I can’t tell you where you got it wrong. Maybe he meant something else altogether or maybe it was a bad example. What I could explain to you it what a tzadik/ Rebbe can do.

A) give a Brocha – not just as in a good wish, but clear the spiritual blockages preventing you from getting the good already alloted to you by Hashem (Brocha milashon hamavrich es hagefen ie to bring down as well as breicha – the pool of good ie your spiritual bank account from Rosh hashana.).

Now sometimes a simple Bracha will suffice to do this. Sometimes a person’s actions can be blocking the way and then the Rebbe can help clear the way by telling the person which mitzvah they need to be more careful with to bring it down.

2) a Rebbe can create a new ratzon by Hashem to do something even if He didn’t want to ask to speak. Now actually every Jew can do this when we daven, that’s what the term yehi ratzon implies – even if it’s not in my spiritual bank account, I’m davening to Hashem that He should have a new Will and allot it to me now. However as this takes many more zechusim to create a new Will by Hashem that didn’t exist before, going to a tzadik can help because a Rebbe is the deeper part of our own neshama so it’s not lie going to an outside entity but more like putting your best foot forward.

3) Another thing tzaddikim can do is be gozer something that Hashem will fulfill. Now obviously they can only be gozer on something they are allowed to be gozer on by Hashem – as they have more spiritual access and vision than us, they would know what that is. For example the Rebbe blessed many people with children who the doctors had said could not physically have – and they did. (If it was a Brocha, yehi ratzon/ gezeira, I don’t know. Probably some of each.) but the Rebbe himself never had children .

Moshe succeeded in saving the entire Jewish nation several times but he didn’t manage to get into Eretz Yisrael himself because Hashem told him to stop davening. Etc.

And as a “Household member” above so to speak, in a certain way their hands are tied because they know where they cannot cross the line.

There is an interesting phenomenon that results from this- the Rebbeim would sometimes tell chassidim that they cannot help them, but they should make a farbrengen or a kiddush and ask their friends to Bentch them with a full heart. And since the clueless chassidim did so, the Brocha would result without any negative repercussions.

To explain: Hashem loves seeing His children love each other. So when we bless each other with a full heart, He rejoices and many times fulfills it. Now sometimes, a tzadik knows that if he decrees that a couple will have a child, they will but then a family member will get sick or die cvs because they’ve used the good alloted for health on the child.so his hands are tied as he doesn’t want to give such a Bracha or make a decree with such a heavy price. But if fellow Jews bless each other with a full heart, Hashem is more likely to fulfill their request, and if He does, without any adverse affects because that wasn’t what they had in mind…