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Sechel HaYashar
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@Neville,
“However, you really lose credibility trying to imply that the majority of Chabad is non-Meshichist. That’s a lie and you know it.”

I haven’t done comprehensive scientific analysis and research, but I stand by what I said. Lubavitch is huge, and attracts many different people, and doesn’t throw out people who self identify as Lubavitch, perhaps unfortunately. (I say this fully aware of falling into the “No true scottsman fallacy”) What may be a huge number of people, is only a relatively small percentage of Chabad. All this BTW holds true for Lubavitch in the USA and other English speaking countries. This is definitely not accurate for Israel, כידוע לי”ח .

Neville, I truly do understand where you’re coming from, and it’s very easy to judge Chabad based on what you see online, and even by some people in person, but Chabad is much larger than what you’ve been exposed to. For example, the first time I came to Crown Heights (I’m not from anywhere near NY) I was appalled by what I saw going on, and the general vibe in the streets, a sentiment I’m positive that a lot of you here share, and many in Lubavitch share as well. And at that time, someone told me “Crown Heights is much more than what you see on Kingston Ave, if you look deeper, you’ll see a totally different neighborhood”, and slowly I came to see it. You can go into many Batei Midrashim during the day, and see people learning Torah, you can go at night and see people who have just finished work sit down to learn Gemara, you can visit Oholei Torah Bais Medrash and watch hundreds of Bochurim learning, and see the same in 770, during Seder. You just have to know where to look, and unfortunately the bad always sticks out more blantantly than the good. I went the other day to a Pizza store in Lakewood, and I was appalled by the standards (or lack of) of frumkeit there. But I know you can’t judge an entire community based off who visits the Pizza store.