If you vote Democrat you should just move to Mexico

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Curiousity
Your ignorance and bias is amazing.
You paint all who vote for candidates of one party as being the same.

I am a Democrat. I vote for individuals. not party. I detest the fool who is leading our country backwards. The orange haired, serial adulterer who enriches his friends and family and hurts our economy.
I will pay more than $20,0000 in additional federal tax this year under his new tax structure, money that used go to Tzedaka.
I don’t want non-citizens to vote, despite your FALSE claim.
I don’t want open borders, but those arriving and seeking asylum should not be turned away. Must I remind you of the fate of the passengers on the MS St. Louis back in 1939.

Trump is a hateful, divisive, lying individual. I’d rather have a family of hard working central American immigrants here and him and his family on the other side of a prison wall.

Actually the idea of adding Mexico to the United States was strongly supported by the Democrats in the 19th century. The Whigs objected. Leading problem was that the Mexicans were Catholics, spoke Spanish, used Roman law and were slightly off color.

It also should be noted that Mexico is ALSO very much opposed to open borders, which is why all the Central Americans fleeing incompetent or corrupt governments end up at the US border having passed through Mexico, which was unwilling to grant them refugee status.

The serious advocacy for liberalized immigrations come from employers (who have to be polite about it, since it doesn’t look good to put out a sign “Help wanted – good workers willing to work at low wages”, and those seeking to move to the United States to take the jobs that Americans don’t want (at least, not at the aforementined low wages).

JJ: We should wish them goodbye. And encourage the other illegals to also make the same return trip. Mexico could use their help.

Joseph – many Republicans higher illigals to work for them. If they stopped more would leave.

Border arrests were higher during last year of Obama than first year of Trump.. Numbers are now slightly higher but that includes in part lots of those who are being turned away when s legally seeking asylum but being told to “come back” because there are insufficient resources to “process your request”. Yes, there are some Dems who support increased immigration just as some Repubs want more immigrants to work in their Florida resorts (aka the Trumpkopf)

CT lawyer, talk about bias and ignorance! Did you vote for Hillary and Bill? He still is a serial adulterer and she defamed the women who came forward. Was Obama telling the truth when he said we can keep our doctors and insurance? when he secretly funneled hundreds of millions of dollars to Iran? secretly gave green cards to relatives of Iranian officials? visited and celebrated with the dictators in Cuba? stabbed Israel in the back in the UN?

You also live in a state that spends taxpayer money like a drunken sailor and was quite happy to have other states subsidize you.
The large majority of taxpayers have seen a reduction in their taxes. Who saw large increases, like yourself? people whose incomes were so high and their property taxes were so high that the combination far exceeded the $10,000 cap. If you have a problem, direct it to your governor and legislature. Why should people in lower tax states continue to subsidize you?
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laskern: Democrats did NOT deport parents who illegally broke into America with their children.

Joseph, I don’t know what you are saying. Democrats did not deport criminals or they did not deport criminals with their children but deported them without them?

Joseph, Obama deported more people who immigrated to the US illegally than any other president.

As I’ve said, I don’t vote party, I vote individual. I cannot remember the last time I voted a straight party line, but it was sometime in the 1970s wen we had local elections in New Haven and there were no opposition candidates running in my district.

Yet you’re a Democratic Party delegate, why would they let you be one of you don’t toe their line?

Personally I don’t find realistic immigration policies, regulation of health care, workers rights, maternal wellness, access to contraceptives, tax breaks that are fare to working Americans, pathways to citizenship via military service, asylum for the victims of domestic and political abues et al nefarious. You are free to disagree. Admittedly I do have some biases, I am a first generation American, I feel that the current immigration roundups that target brown skinned people incredibly unfair. My feelings would be tempered if ICE were doing sweeps in Brighton Beach or other enclaves of non caucasian immigrants. And I would feel much differently if our current administration were not mustering out those immigrants who were using military service as a pathway to citizenship. Certainly our president if free to change his mind about chain immigration now that his inlaws have citizenship, but it does make him look a bit two faced.

You will have to get used to the fact that I do not respond item by item in posts. It’s time consuming and frankly I can’t see the point in investing the effort. Individuals here are very very vested in their opinions, a mere post or argument on an internet forum isn’t sufficient to move the hearts and mind of an individual. I’m not here to make converts, insult others or to demean different POVs.

“but I do encourage people, especially Jews, to use facts not emotions or misinformation, when forming opinions about political topics. I would say that I am vested in rational thinking, ”

Careful up there on your high horse, Do you think your OP was a fact or rational thinking?

“The problem is that prices aren’t published like they are for every other industry, ”

This is Yet another problem. I didn’t mean that my example (which you grant is a valid one with emergencies, though not all encounters).

“Insurance sometimes pays hundreds if not thousands of dollars for routine procedures.”

I’m not sure why “routineness” of a procedure would determine its cost. Can you explain why this is so?

“even for pre-existing conditions.”
Without regulation pre-existing conditions would usually not be covered. nor should they be. Try buying homeowners’ insurance after a house is on fire. It doesn’t even make sense, it isnt really “insurance” at that point.

Kudos to you Curiosity for a well-informed, eloquent presentation of the facts in a political climate in which truth is subjective – let’s hope there are enough rational, thinking people out there to save the US.

” I meant things like charging $60 for an aspirin, or $500 for a 10 minute checkup & diagnosis. ”

I agree we need MORE regulation. IT is crazy that once a person is in a hospital he is at their mercy and then gets charged crazy prices for an aspirin. The Government should absolutely step in and say that it isnt ok.

“Insurance companies are more likely”
1. Arguably “more likely” isnt enough. Some want a guarantee
2. It obviously depends on the conditions dealing with. Plus dont forget the other 455 people will cost money too its not like
3. We dont have to guess what would happen. I know people who were denied insurance prior to Obama zul zein gezunt in shtark.
4. not everyone’s employer provides medical insurance (yet another absurd aspect of our system)

Insurance isn’t really insurance anymore.

“Regulations started before Obama. ”

Oh sure they did, but There was more wiggle room than their is now, as far as preexisting conditions goes.

You aspirin example is cute but ignores reality. Once a person is in a hospital for whatever reason, be it emergency or “routine” you are at their mercy. Why would they charge $5 for an aspirin, you cant go down the street to the other hospital.
Furthermore, you cant even find out what the other hospital charges for an aspirin.
Try it.
Take a routine procedure: Child birth, perhaps the number one reason for hospitalization. Most are uneventful leading to a 2 day or so hospitalization. Call your local hospital, tell them you are paying out of pocket and are shopping around for the cheapest place (obviously this isnt an emergency.) Yo uwill not get a straight answer. If you dont want to cal yourself, there are some videos on youtube of this being attempted (though of course they can be fake).

“As a general rule, everything the government touches goes to gehenom.”
Even general rules have exceptions. I assume you agree military is best run by the government, roads, streetlights. etc.

“I also don’t think all employers should have an obligation to provide health insurance – that’s not fair to employers that can’t afford it,”

I agree! Let the government run it this employer run system is absurd

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“I know you can’t do get prices like that. Part of the reason is because every situation varies so much that’s it’s not possible to quote. ”

nonsense. Most childbirths are the same (that’s why I used the example) . And even if different, they are similar enough that you shoudl be able to get a ball park estimate.