In a kenos that took place of the Ne’emanei Torah V’Avodah (נאמני תורה ועבודה), a dati leumi organization, the matter of religion and state was high on the agenda. Most present agreed that the current political climate presents an ideal situation towards burying the old religious status quo that exists in the state. The three-day event hosted many speakers presenting innovative ideas; including public personalities and elected officials such as Likud MK Ze’ev Elkin, MK (Bayit Yehudi) Uri Orbach, MK (Yesh Atid) Dr. Aliza Lavie and MK (Yesh Atid) Rabbi Dov Lipman.
One proposal calls for moving religious affairs from the political arena and placing it in the hands of the kehilla, each according to its size, character and belief, void of any and all state involvement. Community rabbonim would replace the local state-appointed rabbonim.
A second proposal pertains to yeshiva funding, today about 1 billion NIS annually. The Council for the Spread of Torah (“המועצה להפצת תורה (המל”ת)” ) would be formed to address this, once again taking it from the hands of politicians. This council would be responsible for addressing issues pertaining to the growth and development of yeshivos, taking the needs of the tzibur and the state into consideration. The council would also address ‘developing’ the next generation talmidei chachamim, as well as expanding limud Torah and of course, IDF recruitment.
Other issues include giyur, public transportation on Shabbos, and rabbinical courts were addressed. Dr. Asher Cohen stated the common denominator between all the issues is the status quo that was set into place with the establishment of the state needed to address today’s realities, the drastic change seen in the nation over the years since 1948. The old status quo is simply irrelevant in many areas in the context of realities in the State of Israel in 2013 it was explained.
The Yesh Atid representatives on the panel were the most vocal in their insistence regarding the need to amend the religious status quo, calling for “far-reaching” change. MK Lipman explained the chareidi tzibur wants these changes, speaking of a group of yeshiva students, 18-20-years-old from Bnei Brak with whom he met a few weeks earlier. They explained to him they wish to serve in the IDF in an appropriate setting. He added one of the rabbonim of the Eida Chareidis told him the effort to recruit chareidim and compel them to learn secular subject matter was an important step, ‘critical’ towards the continued existence of the chareidi community, calling to encourage it even without receiving public support from the community.
MK Orbach called for caution and practicality, to select the core issues, those that may realistically be changed, warning them not to bite off more than they can chew. He felt that position papers presented were pointing in the correct direction but lack an element of practicality. He promised that in this Knesset there will be major changes regarding state and religious services. Regarding the agreement with his party and Yesh Atid, he explained it was not a strategic agreement but one of convenience during this coalition negotiating period.
Elkin called for changes as well in a number of areas pertaining to religion and state, most of all the matter of marriage for the hundreds of thousands of immigrants from the FSU who fail to meet Chief Rabbinate criteria. He feels public transportation on Shabbos is a major issue too, but added these changes must be made through negotiations and dialogue, with broad agreement.
Elkin feels this is best accomplished not in Knesset by legislating laws but by mutual agreement which can only be the result of dialogue. Failure to go about this in the correct fashion he warns may boomerang in the face of the non-frum tzibur in the years to come when the chareidi community has a larger political power base.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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The problem with rolling the dice is you are never sure if you’ll end up with “7” or with deuces. Radical social changes are as predictable as rolling dice. Think of the revolutions in France (1789), Russia (1917) and Germany (1933).
Done one way, changing the “status quo” on conscription leads to an Israeli army that will be similar to if it was a giant hesder or Bnei Akiva nachal unit, with substantial hareidi participation, and Israel has a civilian economy that is so Jewish that hiloni Jews feel annoyed (probable basis: end conscription, force army to change to be able recruit hareidim rather than draft them).
Done another way, changing the “status quo” leads to a situation in which most hareidim will ally with the Palestinians, having determined that being “third class” citizens of a secular zionist state is less desirable than being “second class” citizens of an Islamic one (probably basis: attempt to insure equality by drafting all male and female hareidim on the same terms as non-hareidim, with mass arrests for those who refuse to serve).
The status quo led to all kinds of conflict. Taking this all out of the hands of the elected officials will lead to even more conflict and less organization. A Ger Tzedek will have an awful time being assured that his גירות will be recognized by more than the local group of people who he is associating with at the current time. The country is changing and in a couple of generations the majority will not recognize the ideas proposed now. It’s a great disservice to the people who need it most.
Some intelligent advice being discussed. Except DEMOCRACY and THEOLOGY are not really ‘working peace partners’.
“Lipman explained the chareidi tzibur wants these changes”.
Lipman represents a very very VERY small portion of the chareidi tzibur, so that when he speaks for “the chareidi tzibur” (implying for ALL chareidim) without a mainstream chareidi to set the record straight, the result is misrepresentation and damage to the main chareidi tzibur.
No different than when Lapid claims to know better than us (chareidim) what is good for us.
And similar to when Obama claims that Israeli leaders do not know what is in Israel’s best interests, but Obama of course does know!
If some wish to serve, let them serve! But don’t force everyone else who do not wish to serve. That’s fascism.
“leads to a situation in which most hareidim will ally with the Palestinians”
Here we go again, a new Charedi kehilla in Shechem, Tulkarem or Kalkilya…a reality that belongs to the days of Avraham Avinu who couldn’t trust Elimelech of his generation.
#4 Problem with the very small Charedi tzibur that Lipman represents is that it’s growing in size through childbirth and aliyah and unless the Charedi parties wake up & smell the coffee this small group will become a fifth column after being ignored for years.
6. Many young chareidim make aliya because they want to learn in Israel. They are more idealistic than the MO who would make more money in America than in Israel.
I guess the message to young people should be: don’t make aliya. Stay in Lakewood and you’ll be better off.
#7 A large influx of olim have been/are Charedim from America who have chosen to reside in Ramat Beis Shemesh. The majority are working Bnei Torah, Anglo Speaking who are ignored completely by the UTJ party.
Not sure what your MO or Lakewood remark is all about.