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Avram in MD
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The little I know,

“Your discussion of the two brothers was neither rational nor stable.”

You really don’t have a good response for how to handle the issue my example brought up, do you? Otherwise, you would discuss it rationally and without so much ad hominem. I did employ some satire in making the point, but the point is 100% valid and reasonable, and if you want people to accept or consider your “twisted” philosophy, it would do you well to address it.

“That is one way of making a point when there is not one to make.”

You may wish there is not a point, but there is – and it is to the peril of your “twisted” philosophy to not address it.

“Much of your commenting has been rational, whether I agreed with you or not.”

This is written like a compliment, but it is nothing but a bullying technique. I do not fear losing your supposed respect for my intellect, so it won’t work. The only thing you have shown is that your philosophy lacks resilience to a fairly basic question.

“When I address the tolerance of the wayward kid, I never insinuated that we should withdraw support from a good kid for the OTD one. Your insinuation was a bizarre extension of my message.”

Finally ,an actual response.

Exhibit A: “concentration of chinuch efforts on the child who is acting out, even if that means to scatter the other children to live with other family and friends”

Exhibit B: “Rav Elyoshiv told a mother to move her other 8 children out of the home to concentrate on the one who was acting out”

Exhibit C: “Whatever amount of money you usually give your kids – give this child DOUBLE!”

Exhibit D: “Send all of the other children out of the house and give THIS CHILD ALL of your attention!”

C and D are attributed to the Divrei Yoel without sourcing and without context. Which makes them just as dangerous as referencing Yitzchak and Yishmael or Yakov and Eisav to justify throwing a child out of the house. My objection follows directly from statements such as these, and they need to be addressed if you want to honestly present your philosophy.