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My son is in 2nd year beis medrash in a mainstream yeshiva. He says that he learns well first seder but second seder is really disastrous and he is stuck in a cycle of new chavrusas from the bottom of the list. He admits that the problem is partly his fault because he has hasmada problems in the afternoon. He says he might want to go to a yeshiva that has a normal first seder and some sort of college in the afternoon because he really enjoys and excels at secular studies, but doesnt know of any such yeshivas with normal guys with his background. Does anyone know of any yeshivas that sound like this?
He does not only need such a yeshiva, but he also needs an environment that accepts his noble intent as acceptable. Unfortunately, the prevailing belief in the streets is that anyone who seeks to engage in the slightest secular education is an oisvorf. Yet, one may attend Agudah conventions, Torah Umesorah, and such events as Keiravtuni Shabbatons, and discover plenty of wonderful people, יראים ושלמים, who remain steeped in Torah, and have accomplished themselves as professionals, gracing the tzibbur with their services.
I applaud the honesty of this bochur, who seeks to utilize his time for a to’eles, rather than to do what so many others do, kvetch a bonk, and claim to be a full time TOrah student.
A number exist in Brooklyn, ask your son to speak to his Rebbe about it.
Of course he should speak to his rebbeim.
That doesn’t mean they’ll recommend leaving; they may advise him on how to improve his chances of landing better chavrusos.
Sometimes, a rebbe/shoel umaishiv will learn with a weaker bochur until he can get better chavrusos, and sometimes bochurim learn with hired yungerleit.
He’s only in second year beis medrash. If he’s in a mainsream yeshiva, chances are that other options will be explored before having him give up on second seder.
Chances are also that the reason he hasn’t heard of a yeshiva as you described is because most bochurim in such programs would also be considered at the bottom of the list if they were in his yeshiva
I am currently in a yeshiva that has learning morning and evening and college/work in afternoon it’s in Baltimore it’s called tiferes Torah great yeshiva
R Finkel and Friedman are the roshai yeshiva
There are several yeshivos that offer varying degrees of secular/college level studies but those are probably not considered in the “upper tier” from a purely lamdus perspective. A chavrusah is an organic thing that exists through the interaction of its participants, not on the shteiging skills of any one person. If the chemistry isn’t right, any chavrusah will have challenges even if the participants are individually the “stars” of that particular institution
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