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“It all depends from which perspective you are coming from”

Of course. Question.: do you believe the hundreds of people who drove hundreds of miles to protest the rmeoval of the statue were all supporters of southern heritage? where they all civil war buffs? I guess that explains why they carried swastikas, the battle standard of the confederacy? and shouted ssuch southern slogans as “Jews will not repalce us” and blood and soil”

“There is quiet a difference between “supporting the confederacy” and the ‘people’ of the confederacy.”
A stuate to the leaders of the confederacy doent support the people. IT supports the conferat movment and by extension what it stood for.

“After the war they were still Americans and, generals like Lee were their leaders.”
Not quite, they lost their citizenship and the right to vote. Yes reconstruction was a tough time and their were conflicting views of how thee south was to be handled and amneties were granted. But at any rate you are kidding yourself if you believe the statue of LEe commemorates his post war activities. there is a reson why he is in unifrom.

“Think about it — why NOW?”
These discussions have been ongoing for well over a decade.
Though you think about it there were clear spikes when these monument swent up. Why did they go up in 1990? is it a coincidence that this was the time Jim crow laws were being enacted? And what was going on in the 50’s and 60’s that led to a second spike?
(CNN has a timeline that helps visualize these clear spikes)

“George Washington had slaves and so did Jefferson”
Yes as explained above, though that isnt what they stood for nor what they are memorialized for.

“and so is the constitution ‘racist’.”
You do know that it was changed, right? Ie amended.

“Are we going to take down Mt Rushmore and every leader until recent?”
Adressed several times. No only those who stood for or supported a movement that stood for slavery/racisim

“Are we going to ban all studies from anyone who ever supported slavery (e.g. Aristotle)?”
I’m not sure what you mean. The issue of ill gotten studies such as those done by Nazis is an important issue. But I dont understand how it applies here.

“You have to know how to differentiate between real hate and what was simply a cultural issue”

ditto. so I ask you again why did people drive hundreds of miles from Minnesota ohio oregon etc bringing along their swastikas. Do you really believe they just support southern culture?

“Anti-Nationalism, Pro-globalization, Anti-Religion, Anti-Right ”
I’ll give you anti-right. But how is opposing rebeliion “anti-nationalist or pro gloglization” and what does religion have to do with anything?