8 Responses

1. Agreed. They should ban hilonios in the army. Soldiers can survive being mentschlicht while on duty (and on the base), and can limit their hiloni stuss for when they go home in leave.

   Strict kashruth (meaning court martials for eating treff in the army). Ban sexual misconduct, including negiyah and yihud.

2. Yes people are tired of being suckers, being misled and lied to by the secular, anti-Torah leftwing establishment in a certain state in the middle east… Am Yisrael hozer betshuva!!

3. Are they tired of carrying the burden?

   Well, I think the Lomdei Torah are tired of carrying the burden alone of protecting the nation through Torah study. I think they are tired of having to provide spiritual ammunition to counteract all the degeneration in the country, to provide a reason for Divine protection in the face of all the negativity propagated in the country, to being alone the excuse why all the heavenly accusers created by secularism, atheism, immorality etc., should be silenced. I think everyone should take part and share the burden and provide spiritual fuel to keep us safe.

4. Benny Gantz, you are so politically correct. You put out your finger in the air, sensed which way the wind is blowing and you make now crowd-pleasing statements.

5. “People are tired of carrying the burden.”

   This is a political statement that has very little to do with reality, because it is a question of semantics. In this instance, the burden is being defined as “military service”. In this context it is being argued that all those who are physically and mentally capable of military service should share in that burden.

   (Why the elderly, sick, handicapped and youth are being discriminated against, as if the fact that they don’t share the burden is ok, is also something to be examined in the semantics game.)

   However, if the firemen decided that it was unfair that they should bear the burden, it could just as logically argued that anyone capable of being a fireman should be drafted to do so. The same case could be made for teachers, garbage men (not necessarily in that order), doctors, computer consultants, programmers, lawyers, handymen, undertakers, secretaries, homemakers, mothers, Lomdei Torah, etc.
   Because of the inherent contradiction in everybody sharing the burden of each profession, those best at each profession get into it (and some get into it even if they’re not best at it). Thus, as long as everyone is a productive member of society (and how to define productive is probably at the root of all this), they share the burden with everyone else.
   I think that all this hullabaloo might end if every member of society acknowledged the role that every other member was contributing.

6. tell ganz that the frum are tired of the non frum intentionally doing everything to antagonize the frum c if he cares

7. Hey Rainus…we mekarev them to Torah…they mekarev YOU to basic citizenship responsibilities. This ain’t 19th century Poland we’re being asked to serve…it’s a modern Jewish country…

   …and the people you denegrate and dismiss are just as much Yidden as are you..so stop alienating them from all the Torah you claim to stand for.

8. to yonasan look at who is denigrating who. do the frum attack the chiloni way of life like the chilonim attack the frum way of life. who impacts on who. the frum want to have the right to live frum without having to excuse themselves. we dont make “frum parades” like say the mishkav zochor crowd who are not just looking to live a certain but rather to impose their degenrate way of life on others but they preach “tolerance” the very same tolerance that they refuse to grant the frum. I guarantee you that if they did things accrording to tora the response from the frum community would be different.