(Click on image to see NK protesting yesterday outside the Annapolis Conference) Neturei Karta will demonstrate in front of the White House today, from 11:00AM to 3:00PM while the current peace talks are taking place.
Holocaust-denier Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, spokesman for Neturei Karta International, explained his organization’s nuanced response to the current Mideast peace conference and the goals of the group’s demonstration held in Annapolis MD on November 27, 2007.
“On the one hand, we are sympathetic to all efforts that seek to alleviate, even some small measure, of the Palestinian people’s suffering, as well as of the Jewish people. The authors of the present peace proposal are sincerely committed to the lessening of the Palestinians’ plight and the suffering of the Jews, living in the Holy Land. And this meeting might serve as a beginning step towards an ultimate solution.”
(Editors Note: etc etc etc etc etc etc….We all know his speech by now….)
“We fervently pray, for an end to the suffering of the Palestinians and Jews and to the suffering of people, worldwide. We pray, for the speedy and peaceful dismantlement of the entire state of ‘Israel.’ Ultimately, we beseech the Almighty, to hasten the day, when the entire world will recognize the One God and serve Him in harmony and brotherhood, with no coercion whatsoever. Amen.”
(Source: PR News Wire)
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Hmm. ultimate solution. is that like final solution?
wow these guys really know how to get around quickly. Maybe they can set up “NK Tours” and bring pilgrims to pay homage at all their protest sites.
wow these guys really know how to get around quickly. Maybe they can set up NK Tours and bring pilgrims to pay homage at all their protest sites.
Maybe they should volunteer to be suicide bombers in the name of Allah and due to their stupidity blow themselves up at home.
as well as of the Jewish people. The authors of the present peace proposal are sincerely committed to the lessening of the Palestinians’ plight and the suffering of the Jews, living in the Holy Land……for an end to the suffering of the Palestinians and Jews
2 things i realized
1) when has the neturei karta ever cared for jewish lives
2) who says dismantling eretz yisrael will bring peace
just take a look at the Neturai Karta! What a small group they are. It’s amazing to think that there are only about 10 of such retarded people in all of klal yisroel. Ashreinu mah tov chelkeinu!
I think they’re trying to follow the SATMAR REBBE ZT”L’S, anti-Zionist ideology. However, the Rebbe never sanctioned demonstrating together with Arabs, because he said: “They don’t want the same thing that we want!”–meaning that he wanted Kvod ShoMaim and the safety of our brothers in Eretz Yisroel and elsewhere.
Just goes to show you what happens if you lack reliable gedolei Torah to guide you.
how many Rials did they each get to go to Washington D.C.?
will they also be protesting the realse of the nazi archifes ? these guys love the attention.
Why does’nt Simcha The Felder come out and fine these nut cakes a $1000 who ever feeds them,,,,,
(they travel like pigens)
torahhis1 you see Joseph day and night. You wake up in the morning and see Joseph to your right. You sleep at night and see Joseph in your dreams. You look up, you look around you see Josephs everywhere.
I have a shrink I can recommend.
Until then, sweet dreams.
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If you ask me, I think these people have been brainwashed by a bunch of campus Arabs!
I’ve spoken with one of them before, the guy I talked to was so brainwashed it was so sad. He couldn’t think independently outside of the one liners he’s been feed by Weiss. What was really funny is that this guy, who said he grew up in Williamsburg and rarely leaves it, seemed to think that I was in the minority of the people who support the State of Israel! So sad
I wonder outloud if we would ignore them would they go away? Do I hear yes? Because when they get attention of course they will be back at every function.
How Sad.
May they be zoche to do t’shuva
you are saying good,, torahis1
Reb Yaakov zt”l used to say, when you first speak evil then people will act evil..
torahis1, the difference between weiss and other major rabonim who are anti zionist ( and rightly so) is quite simple. Weiss is cozying up to rashoim and that is plain wrong.Never in the history of the jewish people have rabonim cozied up to rashoeim who want to do harm to the jewish people.
You must understand that being anti zionist is not an affitorahis1, the difference between weiss and other major rabonim who are anti zionist ( and rightly so) is quite simple. Weiss is cozying up to rashoim and that is plain wrong.Never in the history of the jewish people have rabonim cozied up to rashoeim who want to do harm to the jewish people.
You must understand that being anti zionist is not an affiliation to what weiss is doing. If you fail to grasp that the concept of zionism is a contradiction to the essence of the torah then I cannot help you. But if you take a little time of your busy schedule and read history you will discover that Zionism was founded my a heretic individual by the name of Theodor Herzl. He was not interested in the jewish religion.He wanted a nationalistic state.Period. ALL the gedolim and I repeat ALL the gedolim at that time which included the Chofetz Chaim,Rav Elchonan Wasserman,
Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer were adamantly opposed to the concept.
Zionism is evil.Israel is not a democracy.They have committed terrible crimes including the famous murder of Proffesor Dahan back in the 1930’s.They mercilessly beat charedim on a daily basis and engage in excavating existing old cemetary’s , an act that no soverign government would dream of doing. So yes, Zionism is bad. But the way weiss and company are acting is utterly dispicable and shameful. Thats the point. We can be against the concept , speak out and hope and pray that moshiach will come very soon. But to allow us to fall prey to our sworn enemies is beyond comprehension.All gedolim agree that we cannot turn the clocks back.Its too late to hand over the reigns to hamas and company.But that does not mean that the true torah believing jews are not correct in denouncing Zionism in every which way possible.liation to what weiss is doing. If you fail to grasp that the concept of zionism is a contradiction to the essence of the torah then I cannot help you. But if you take a little time of your busy schedule and read history you will discover that Zionism was founded my a heretic individual by the name of Theodor Herzl. He was not interested in the jewish religion.He wanted a nationalistic state.Period. ALL the gedolim and I repeat ALL the gedolim at that time which included the Chofetz Chaim,Rav Elchonan Wasserman,
Rav Isser Zalman Meltzer were adamantly opposed to the concept.
Zionism is evil.Israel is not a democracy.They have committed terrible crimes including the famous murder of Proffesor Dahan back in the 1930’s.They mercilessly beat charedim on a daily basis and engage in excavating existing old cemetary’s , an act that no sovereign government would dream of doing. So yes, Zionism is bad. But the way weiss and company are acting is utterly despicable and shameful. Thats the point. We can be against the concept , speak out and hope and pray that moshiach will come very soon. But to allow us to fall prey to our sworn enemies is beyond comprehension.All gedolim agree that we cannot turn the clocks back.Its too late to hand over the reigns to hamas and company.But that does not mean that the true torah believing jews are not correct in denouncing Zionism in every which way possible.
Rav Mechel, alot of ‘copy and paste’.
Methinks some 1’s true HATRED of anyone who disagrees with his world view is losing some of it usual diplomacy.
Gut gezugt Reb Mechel.
I truly forget why we ever argued. 🙂
if we won’t give these reshaim so much attention they will stop.!
i don’t get it.
they are such “zealous” people when it comes to the “tumah” of Eretz Yisroel but what about the internet?
all there signs have a website on bottom
torahis1 is correct. people are a product of their educational experience. with so much anti-medina rhetoric in the yeshiva world , movements such as NK are not surprising.
The Gedolim were opposed to Jewish sovereignty over the holy land. How many ”Gedolim” can you name that are on the record supporting Jewish sovereignty prior to 1946 (in other words before it became clear that it was likely to happen)?
Remember, documented and sourced statements prior to 1946. How many fingers will I need?
First off, sorry for the copy and paste, not sure what happened there.
Joseph, wow , we might even become mechutunim one day!!
Torahis1, whats your point ? These people are doing what they are doing because they are nuts. Briskers have the same feelings and opinions as the neturei karta do and Briskers do not cozy up to Iran. Most of Neturei karta are not even originally satmar including weiss who’s English is more than perfect and is certainly not the product of the satmar education system. Same applies to Cohen from the UK who was a professor. So these fools are not acting the way they are because satmar brainwashed them. They took every thing out of context and went berserk.
Please name the gedolim who were thrilled when the state of Israel was proclaimed. On a previous thread you made a claim that Rav Aron was against the Satmar rebbe and you failed to back it up with proof. I named you the ones that were not thrilled.
Can we stop this loshon hora against Jews. Not only do we speak against today’s Jews, but I see some here about Jews of the 1700’s and 1800’s. They thought they were done with all the talk about their screw ups and mistakes.
I think most would agree if the GR”A were alive today, he would not be the misnaged his is known to be. And, vice versa. Both sides thought the sky was falling, or the end was coming due to the activities of the other side.
In the meanwhile, both the Yeshivish/Litvish and the Chassidish worlds have built gigantic, wonderful yeshivos exceeding the expectations of those gedolim who were sooooo upset back then.
Now we see gedolim again being made fun of, or trashed here on this blog for not being politically correct.
Hey guys…. I wish Zionism were cool. It is such a feel-good proposition. Great heart warming things like having a home country and safety, etc.,… let alone the history and heritage.
But, our true Torah leaders say, “NO!” …
That is good enough for me. From the Rambam to the Satmar Rov, the most learned and greatest of the Torah Giants have warned us to keep the 3 shavuos.
The other day I read a blogger saying, “That is only aggaditah, and we can’t paskin from Aggaditah. … I am glad he knows more than the Rambam and all the others since who disagreed with him and truly paskined.
Maybe years from now, we will better understand the folly of the ways of Zionism.
In the meanwhile, I will admit that there is a major part of me that wishes we held differently. It would be so easy and nice to grab onto the Zionist dream of our own country now.
But, I will resist the temptation. For, whether I like it or now, the Satmar Rov and all those who said the same before him, are right.
Now, that does not mean I agree with the Moshe Friedman’s of the world. He and a few others have “crossed the line” into stupidity and ridiculousness.
The Satmar Rov ZY”U said many times that though we must oppose Zionism, and not accept the Zionist State, we must also not help the enemies of Jews. He would never have supported siding with Iran, or denying the holocaust to try to befriend that creep Achmemeeeskeit…or whatever it is.
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#19 Rav Mechel, may have done a nice bit of copy and paste, but he is right.
The Satmar Rov was strong enough to speak out, but the ruling was nothing new. Rabbonim way before the Satmar Rov ZY”U have told us to be mechvain on Zionism during the brucha V’Lamalshinim
Nothing new here.
Bottom line. God says so, I follow. Period. I don’t have to like it. Zionism is bad.
RESHAIM G’MURIM Y.S.V
can someone please tell me why we should spend our national treasure and blood etcc on something we know we are not really entitled too. After dealing with some DIB in real estate I am questioning our nationlistic role and its not a torah viewpoint that we should have EI. Let the UN or some world body control it and the Jews who live there shoudl be gezunt and shtark – no army and no chumous – really people is thereanything religious about chumous and pita? Does it make you whole or more complete what about Jewish blood being spilled.
They are not NK, they are a little group of dangerous weirdos who have stolen the name of NK.
I refer to the following pashkevil by the REAL Neturei Karta of Meah Shearim:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Nkcherem.jpg
Yishmoel Daoud Scheiss and the boys are back again with another command performance. Sorry, guys, but today is not Purim, and if it were, you would be 50 amois (which also matches the 50 IQ points that these dozen or so clowns share among themselves) above the ground while WE would be laughing at the show.
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Thank you for that link. I wish they had a more readable copy available to print out. I would love to show some people in my kihillah that these people, though they may believe they mean well, and they may have good intentions, are not following the way of Satmar, or of the real Neturei Karta.
These people are such rashaim. Even if they dont agree with the State of Israel, they should just shut up and not make such a chillul hashem.
charlie, can you provide sources (not to question your data c’v)?
torahis1, I said prior to 1946.
Then we can compare apples to apples. In other words, the quantity AND quality of the Rabbonim opposed to sovereignty prior to ’46, vs. any purported supporters.
Itzik,
They are defintily a disgrace beyond words but dont underestimate Weiss, he’s very clever!
torahis1, 58th century.
Which Rishon stated that the earth is flat, and what is the source of that claim from you?
Still waiting.