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LU

“My point is that an aversion to secular studies is not one of the “defining characteristics of chareidi Jewry today.””

I got your point. however you are wrong. And as you demonstrated on the previous post on the subject, your definition of “Charedi” isnt quite right

“Someone can be very into secular learning and consider himself Chareidi and be part of the Chareidi world and no one would say, “He’s not Chareidi because he is into secular learning”.”

Lol! (Have you been following Israeli news over the past few years?)

Joseph, care to weigh in: In your opinion, Can someone Charedi be into secular learning?

” I went to Chareidi schools and lived in Chareidi communities, and I was always taught to value secular education,”

was this in America or in Israel?

I too went to (American) chardei schools and was taught secular studies are assur and a waste of time other than what was required by t the government

“Not recently, and I may not have read the same ones that you read. I think he has several.”

Yup there are several. He was particularly opposed to combining yeshiva + college. However even just college he opposed see See chelek aleph siman 76

“It certainly wasn’t the only reason he was against Michlalah.”

yup that is true.

LU See Joseph’s quote above. It is a perfect example of Charedim rewriting their history so to avoid the very real conclusion that charedism (like other movements) change.

I will spare you any of several academic sources on the subject since I suspect you will dismiss them as having agendasd (correct me if I’m wrong)

However see The artscroll book on the subject “My Uncle the NEtziv pages 206-208. surely they cant be accused of being “Academic” R”l

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