GAW, Benignuman wrote: “From what I have seen, early dating is as you describe. But as the couple become more relaxed with each other, and/or as the individuals have dated more people, things change. Yes, the less yeshivish you get the worse the problem becomes, but even with BMG boys schok (as I defined it earlier) is the norm not the exception for later dates.”
He is not only talking about once they know they are getting married. And either way, I can’t imagine that he thinks that flirting is the norm for typical seriously-Yeshivish youth.
Unless he is defining flirting very differently than I would. Maybe he is defining flirting as any kind of “laughing and having fun” in which case we are back to Truth Wins and my contention that some people need the “laughing and having fun” before they can get engaged/married. And I think this is particularly true for older singles.