“None of which have to do with being a “Chareidi” as per LuL’s definition. One can wear a Rugby Shirt or khaki pants and be a Chareidi. Perhaps not a Chassid, but those terms are not interchangeable. Some Chareidim are Chassidim, others not. Some Chassidim are Chareidim, others are not.”
GAW, thank you. Also, I would think that you could be a Chassid as well even without the Chassidish levush.
“For example, Ner Yisroel, who LuL considers part of the “Chareidi world”, does work towards secular education for its students”
Thank you again.
And in Bais Yaakov of Monsey which is considered to be very chareidi, the Rebbetzin, a”h, told a girl who wasn’t sure if she should take the optional 12th grade college courses that she should take them because all knowledge is worthwhile. This was despite the fact that she was very anti-going to college. That is because her reasons for being against college had nothing to do with her attitudes towards secular knowledge.
This is true for most Chareidim. They are against too much secular education for boys because it’s bitul Torah. But if it’s not at the expense of limud Torah (for example, a boy who wouldn’t be learning anyhow or needs a parnassah), they are not against it.
And they are against or at least hesitant about boys or girls going to college because of the environment and influences. But if one could attain the knowledge without the environment and influences (and Bitul Torah for boys), they would not have a problem with it.