Joseph +1. Basically, the Religious Zionists choose to identify themselves by their Zionism instead of their Chareidism.
Could say the same for Sephardim, Breslovers, Lubavitch and Telzers.
Please explain yourselves why one group’s identification removes them from being “Chareidi” and the other group’s identification does not.
Regarding the Chardalniks, it is possible to consider them Chardal – that is what Chardal stands for – Chareidi Leumi. On the other hand, some might argue that by calling themselves Chareidi Leumi, they are choosing to call themselves something other than Chareidi. So I guess it’s up to them how they choose to define themselves.
Which was my original argument that “chareidi” is based on self-identification, not whether you follow the Torah or not.
How about the Orthodox Meretz guy?
Finally, what do you mean by “do not follow Daas Torah”?