Health, I’m not going to respond to your insults with more insults.
It’s pointless. You can refer to me as a headlight or a chestnut tree. That doesn’t change the meaning of the world. And its not double talk. it reflects a complex reality. maybe you don’t live in one. Most of us do.
You ask about supporting a candidate who supports killing babies in the ninth month. Just because Donald Trump and his allies framed the discussion that way (effectively so – they got many voters to see it in their well crafted frame too) doesn’t mean it is accurate. Take the point in the second or third debate where Trump lambasted Hilary for supporting abortion until the last day of a pregnancy. She should have called out his absurdity.
An OB/GYN friend of mine told me “yeah, right. last day. We call that a C section.”
Here’s the thing. according to an AP poll in December of 2015, 40% of Republicans are pro choice. 40%. According to you, that makes them liberals. but according to stats from the election, 88% of declared Republicans voted for Trump. I guess they are liberals too.
Here’s another thing. Most people, especially politicians, who are Pro choice aren’t “pro” abortion. That’s a frame effectively painted by the Pro Life advocates. I don’t think they see it as a “good” choice in almost all circumstances, but rather a decision government shouldn’t be making. I’m sorry if that thinking is too complex for you.
So, MY frame for MYSELF is that yes, considering all of the elements that go into support for one candidate or another, I’d live with a candidate who says the government should not be making the difficult decision, the individual should bear the responsibility. And for myself, I choose life on a personal level, while on a social, constitutional level, I oppose abortion in principle as a form of lazy birth control. I support it when the mother’s life is endangered (as we know halacha does) or it is not viable. I have to say I am agnostic about it when the child is the product of an assault on the mother.
Oh, and I see Health that you had no response about actually DOING something to support a conservative cause. Like working on a campaign. I’ve actually had the courage of my convictions, and done something about the political perspective I believe in aside from pontificating about “liberals” and “a world long past”. Maybe you should try it sometime so you actually achieve some credibility in talking with those who HAVE done so.