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Full-time means the same it would mean for a paying job.

Wouldn’t someone who has a full time job also need to be Koveh Itim? As Rav Moshe is known to have said, before learning in Kollel, you first need to learn like a Baal Habos!

So if the average “Yeraim” Baal HaBos works eight hours (most work more), commute (in the NYC area) two hours, and learn two hours, then shouldn’t full time be 12+ hours?

Advanced refers to a standard of learning which us obviously subjective. Technically, someone enrolled would be in kollel, the same way someone on the books at a company is technically an employee.

So do we need to restate the question as “technical” kollel” vs. actual kollel, as well as only those who are doing at a higher level than a certain agreed-upon standard?

Those are not the kollelim women want their husbands to be in.

But you will agree that they are Kollelim by your definition, and therefore included in the OP’s question (as well as Joe’s follow-up regarding ruchnious?)

I don’t think prospective kollel wives want to get married any significant amount more than girls (from the same community) who want to marry working boys do. There’s plenty of agmas nefesh for these girls.

1: “From the same community” is a huge “No true Scotsman” type exclusion, as Rov of the Yeshivish type girls are looking to marry someone who will at the very least start out as a member of an institute of Torah learning (which may or may not be a “Kollel”).

2: As I explained earlier, if boys who would otherwise be working see strong incentives to be a member of an institute of Torah learning, it leaves fewer boys for girls who want working boys, pushing the issues there as well.