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“And I knew a family where the parents were mechallelei Shabbos, ate tarfus, etc. And, whoops, wouldn’t you know it, all six of their grandchildren and all 24 of their great-grandchildren are Shomrei Torah U’Mitzvos today.”
Because if their families ever taught them to seek the truth, that seed, was enough for them to come back to the truth.
But that cannot be relied on, they most certainly should have brought them up to be Shomrei Torah and Mitzvohs.
“In addition, there are examples of even gedolim whose children have gone off the derech. Are you going to castigate their parenting as well?”
I will leave that, for the G’dolim to judge, and many seforim have been written about it, which is where I learned about the apple not falling far from the tree, with few exceptions like the parents being killed or the children being kidnapped and raised as non Jews.
I doubt you can find someone who was raised by a father and mother who were both recognized by EVERYONE as among the greatest tzaddikim of ours, or of the last generation, where they were not interrupted by any extreme evils or tragedies that tore the parents from the children or children from the parents; Where the children still went off the derech and started eating treif and stopped keeping Shabbos.
“I’m sorry, the parent doesn’t take all the blame (or credit for that matter). At some point, you have to lay blame at the foot of the person who makes the decison — not his or her parents.”
So why do seforim talk about the sins of the father being visited on the children and vice versa?
Each person bears full responsibility for their own decisions, but if the parents raised them wrong they do not get off, based on saying “My children, were the ones to actuallly do it”
Those influences are less or more based on how much the parents were or were not there for them.
My point is you cannot possibly KNOW how much personal contact and personal raising the kids, even in the teenage years, is ‘enough’ that you can …….’decide’……. you do not have to do anymore.
If the concept of Morris Ayen applies even to strangers
Call V’Chomer for your own kids.
;;;;;;;;;;”And my response was not “G-d will judge you” with the implication that I had any knowledge HOW he would judge.
YOU said that YOU THOUGHT G-d would approve.
“No, I said that AFTER you said that HE would judge me.”
Only after you made it out like G-d supported the feminist ideal.
And I said G-d would judge me as well so if it was some kind of “insult” I was insulting myself as well.
“But fine, let’s not argue on that point any more.”
You mean you want to take your parting shot, and THEN, ‘not argue anymore’.
” I forgive you for making me upset.”
That is a sarcastic remark, and there is no forgiveness whatsoever, in it.
That is besides the fact I have been told many times
(not sure how much I believe it myself, but others have said it to me and they certainly believed it)that no one can ‘make’ you get upset anyway.
I did nothing to you, you did to yourself.