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gavra_at_work
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So you think it’s proper to shame people?

It doesn’t make a difference what I think. Chazal does believe it to be appropriate.

Kesubos 49b (from Mechon Mamre)

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That being said, the standard of living expected (the real problem) is so high that if someone would live like Chazal did at that time, his children would be taken away.

To the OP’s point, if Torah Jews block vote purposefully, they do so for someone who gives them favors, whatever they may be. Case in point is Hillary’s election to the Senate in 2000, where New Square voted for Hillary 1359 – 10 or something similar (while Kiryas Yoel voted en mass for the Republican). In exchange, her husband Bill pardoned four people who had stolen $40 million dollars from the government.

Another example where it was tried was when the “Vaad” of Lakewood endorsed Corzine over Christie, because Corzine gave BMG Kesef. None the less, the Olam saw through it and voted for Christie because he was not pro-SSM and more in line with Torah values.

So I would say the latter (Republican), unless the Shochad is large enough.