Matan: In terms of formal logic, your first idea is severely problematic. In the spirit of other posters here, one might even say retarded. I have not the time to write why now, but if you desire, after shabbos I can go through it. The second one suffers from the same problems as the Idea you are tring to be more precise about. Your reasoning doesn’t support your conclusion. Have a great shabbos. I’ll be back in a few days…
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