@ubiquitin Charlie Hebdo people are to blame for their own deaths
An excellent own goal. Indeed the Charlie Hebdo people should take blame for inciting Muslims and probably causing extra deaths including in the Hyper Cacher shooting where r”l 4 yidden were killed.
This doesn’t detract from the absolutely blame of the terrorists, their backers, handlers and enablers but the Charlie Hebdo staff were culpable too for incredible stupid goading of dangerous hateful terrorists.
If the Palestinians/Muslims would make as big a fuss of say Kever Rochel and turn it in a cause for incitements and death threats r”l, I would stop going there too.
@chareidimolim the area where … religious people go up today is 100% OK …. And most Rabbanim who are willing to address the matter at all agree to this.
Nonsense. And your implied argument that the majority of chareidi rabbonim who disagree are “not willing to address the matter” is disingenuous, to say the least.
@Sam2, @chareidimolim etc. regarding your assertions that you know roughly where the heical “must have been” and therefore where’s definitely mutar to go. Surely you’re not basing anything on the location of the dome of the rock? Where in our mesorah does it state that the dome of the rock or its platform definitely intersects with the heichal or azorah? We don’t know for sure even what part of the HH”B the kosel was except for our mesorah that standing in front of it is definitely OK. (Some, including myself don’t even touch it).
Notwithstanding this, I continue not to understand the point of going up there? Leshitoschah, the kosel (or perhaps kosel hakatan) must surely be as close to the kodesh hakdoshim as some (Northern?) parts of the Har Habayis where you say is definitely muttar to go. And you’re not even allowed to daven there. So why go? In what way are you acheiving more than davening at the kosel? If it’s just for Zionist goals of establishing Jewish rights there then indeed this is a fatal (literally) error that stirs up a hornet’s nest.