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Neville:

While one should pray that Hashem keep Jews safe everywhere, including in Eretz Yisrael, one should, of course, NOT pray for the idolatrous and heretical State of Israel, which is also ongoing shmad and that is holding back the geulah.

While the “Reishis Tzmichas Geulaseinu” nonsense in that invented artificial prayer is “based on” a forgery and fraud, the mere act of prayer for the State of Israel is not necessarily an idolatrous act just as their flag is not technically a symbol of idolatry as per Rav Moshe.

So, no, the two situations you mentioned are not comparable.

Regardless, what exactly do you mean that you consider Zionism to be “not full-blown idolatry” and, more importantly, therefore, in this context, that it is essentially “more Jewish” to be a Zionist (of any stripe) than it is to kiss a murderer on the cheek because you think you’re saving Jewish lives by doing so?

NK’s (Attempted) Pikuach Nefesh vs. Zionism’s (sort-of?) A”Z. You (and many others) feel the latter is more Jewish?

What I am getting at here, of course, is that Zionism seems to have succeeded in implanting feelings of (artificial and heretical) “Jewish Nationalism”, even in some who do not consider themselves Zionists, to the point that it completely reverses their sensitivities and priorities.

Because if you have a bigger problem with NK than you do with someone who is “sort of” worshiping idols, then something outside of Torah (and something obviously anti-Torah) must be influencing you to think that way.