Oi! Yekke2, your idiocy continues to astound me.
That’s wonderful to hear.
Tosafos say that regarding one who is thrown on a baby, thereby killing it, and are of the opinion that although his role is a passive one, it’s still considered murder. (And R’ Chayyim doesn’t disagree on principle, as he states explicitly; he merely considers the one thrown as not being a murderer at all, but rather a stone in the hands of a murderer.)
You didn’t make yourself very clear. (In fact, if I wasn’t worried about Poe’s law, I would say that your idiocy didn’t even astound me.) You pointed out that even if suicide was ?? ????, “not eating” wouldn’t be included in that. I understood that to mean because it was a passive way of killing rather than an active murder. I brought you a Shittas Tosfos who says that a passive murder is also called murder.
I don’t think R’ Chaim agrees with that principle at all. R’ Chaim points out that in the baby case, you are just a bullet, not the killer. According to R’ Chaim – as is the pashtus, I would say – there would be no such thing as a passive killing.
Tosfos, however, disagrees. I don’t understand Tosfos, I never have understood it. Why you should be considered a murderer – enough to say ???? ??? ????? – I don’t understand. (I wanted to suggest that Tosfos doesn’t mean ?? ????, but Tosfos is saying that the same logic of ??? ???? applies even in that case. But I don’t think it worked…)
I would say that Tosfos applies to any passive murder as well.
(BTW – I have no access to the ???? ??? at the moment; would you care to post a link, or summarize his points?)
That has nothing to do with someone not eating, where he’s merely allowing a natural process terminate his life
Everything is a “natural process”. Strangling a person kills by stopping the oxygen intake; stabbing him in the heart simply stops all heart function and therefore via a natural process will die. Dropping somebody into a pit of fire is a very natural process. What murder isn’t natural?
(There obviously is a line; where do you draw it?)
Not force feeding is a D’Oraisa violation of Lo Sa’amod Al Dam Reiecha.
That is a big controversy whether “Lo Sa’amod Al Dam Reiecha” applies to a self inflicted problem. The Minchas Chinuch says that there is no chiyuv. Many Achronim disagree.