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Matisyohu28
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just me – Firstly – the eruv has some support, sort of, and while of course it should be taken down permanently, those people at least think there’s a yesh al ma lismoch. Same with questionable hechsherim. However, do you see them eating treif, or carrying without some rabbis saying it’s ok? NO. That’s becuase the tznius issue has NO yesh al ma lismoch. It is a blatant obscene violation of the ratzon hashem, with no two sides about it. People won’t listen to screaming about eruvin – why? because they have something to be soymech on. Same with the hechsherim(“what? this rabbi isn’t good enough for you?” type of responses, at least make sense to an am haaretz in halacha).

The bochurim who smoke hid behind allies – why davka in places where no one sees them? it’s embarrassing, and they know it is wrong and will not do it in public, which means they’ll probably stop eventually. The whole issue with these women is that it is being done befehesya with the maximum amount of damage. – the fact that people like you keep aying it’s no big deal, and the prevailing culture and ideology of the goyim wich tells them it’s normal and healthy for a woman to dsigrace her kedusha by becomign a walking micshol, which I think influences even ehrliche yidden into thinking, unconsciously, that this issue isn’t as big. Smoking is a terrible thing, but I am sorry – in halacha tznius is a more severe inyan than smoking. At best(al pi halacha), smoking cigarettes is a sakana, which endangers one person – tznius is an issur dioraisa with certain types of transgressions being a chiyuv kares, and it makes others do aveiros. I’m not saying smoking is ok – it’s not, but it is a separate issue which has no bearing on the discussion of tznius(after all, the forum is about tznius – anytime there’s a problem we can always pass the buck to another problem; why bother with problem A, problem B is there too! is an answer that in essence means, there’s more than one problem, but since there’s more than one, let’s forget about the original one! it’s just a rhetorical trick.

I never said for the average yid to go up to people on the street – that doesn’t work, however action must be taken.