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Akuperma: Before the establishment of the state, nearly all gedolei Yisroel opposed the idea in the stronger terms possible. Unfortunately their words were not heeded, and the state was established. Now after 67 years of the state, you seem to think that an option exists to turn the clock back to ???? To what? To the British mandate? Perhaps the Ottoman empire? While we’re at it, maybe we should revert back to the byzantines or the romans for that matter? You seem to think that there is a possibility of living under some kind of arab/palenstinian regime. Are you serious? In Eretz Yisroel, only the most lunatic fringe of the neturei karta — all 10 of them . . . . advocate joining up with the palestinians. This wildly irresponsible idea has NEVER been espoused at any time by any gadol ba’Torah. To give support – succor – recognition to murderers??? The very notion that the nation of slaughterers would recognize and spare the chareidishe yidden is beyond absurd. The Eida Chareidis doesn’t advocate such a solution, Satmar does not, Toldos Aharon does not. The only ones who do are the supposed neturei karta-niks from monsey, antwerp, london, etc. who do not live in Eretz Yisroel and who speak only (barely!) for themselves. To sum up: the error of setting up a state in 1948 was a terrible one. But NOW, there’s no turning the clock back, nothing and no one to go back to. No alternative government, nation, or empire. The only thing we CAN do is to spread more Torah more mitzvos, more Torah mosdos, more shuls, mikvaos, more shiurim, more kiruv rechokim. Im yirtzeh Hashem, that will speed the arrival of Moshiach Tzidkeinu be’meheirah be’yameinu!!