ok, kler limaaseh in the chiyuv. is it a chiyuv to put oneself into a matziv of ad dilo yada, and the heychi timtza the rabanan were koveiah is shtiyas yayin, or is the etzem chiyuv the etzem shtiyah and the shiur ptur is ad dilo yada. i know the lashon is moreh like the second tzad, but its not muchach. i will admit im a little disappointed in myself for never thinking of this before.
