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☕ DaasYochid ☕
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Okay, now the longer version:

I took no offense, I thought you were just being passionate about your opinion. I hope my responses, which were supposed to just address your points, didn’t come across as offensive. I didn’t mean to imply that you thought I don’t respect women, but I think the OP does imply that this is the issue with chareidim not having female MKs, and it’s dead wrong.

I hope you have a better week this week.

Although for the most part, halachah does work from the earlier sources on down, very methodically, it’s a mistake to think that Yiddishkeit or even halachah always works this way.

Just a couple of examples from recent CR discussions: zilzul Shabbos/uvdin d’chol can often be impossible to define or parameterize, yet the concept exists. So how does it get decided? Well, the Chazon Ish says it’s up to the gedolei hador of each dor (and despite Sam’s disclaimer, this is mainstream thought).

Tznius is this way even in dress, which does have certain specific guidelines, but there are still breaches which may not fall out of any technical definition (I don’t want to get specific).

Tznius in action is probably even more difficult to draw a specific line for, but certain things most definitely are improper without a specific source, especially since new situations arise in every generation.

See the source cited by PAA for learned, scholarly women, in which a couple of cases were cited in which women taught men. Yet, they were in a different room/behind a mechitzah.

Can women talk about Gemara?

Is there a specific halachah that a man can’t see a woman while saying a shiur? No, but tznius dictates a certain protocol regardless.

Does being an MK constitute a bigger breach of tznius than saying a shiur to men without a curtain? I think it might. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, there’s an additional factor of a woman in such a public position reinforcing the view of a woman’s role as career oriented, at the expense of her role taking care of her family.

Luckily, though, I’m not the one deciding, and when dealing with the charedi political parties, it is their gedolim who decide, but I think it is a quite understandable decision.