The Hesder Yeshiva Association is working to find a solution following the recent incident which resulted in the ousting of a number of Shomer Shabbat officer cadets from the IDF’s Officers’ Training Program.
In a proposal put forward by the hesder association, kol isha would be tolerated [permitted] if it is part of an official IDF ceremony, as opposed to part of a non-essential entertainment [cultural] event.
Opponents to such a proposed solution are outspoken, viewing this as an attempt to bend Halacha to accommodate the military, while some rabbonim insist that the problem is not as severe and some believe it to be. Hesder spokesman Rabbi David Stav told the media that hesder rabbonim are working hard to find an acceptable solution.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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The so-called “rabbis” who want to compromise halacha are a disgrace to the Torah.
Shmoel you are a disgrace to yiddishkeit. These hesder rabbanim can go 15 rounds on a bad day in the torah ring with any charedi rabbi.
Knowing has nothing to do keeping torahumada somtimes the more these rabbonim know the more they assume they can do!!
But it is well known the women singing is a key part of national defense? Can you imagine an army going into battle with girls bands?????
Why not just admit that the people who run the Israeli do not want yeshiva students, or any Hareidim, and that the Israelis can stop using the refusal to serve in the army as an argument against the kosher Yidden. They don’t want us enough to give up to something so minor as having women singing (not to mention other things involving female soldiers that one can’t discuss here)
I find it interesting that the chareidi side has no problem bashing any other group of Judiasm when they think they know better, yet when gedolim make a psak that is controversial or seemingly anti-torah (see the recent ywn article comments on bet shemesh orot school) you all say “how dare you question the gedolim? Learn as much torah as they do first and then maybe you can discuss it with them.”
Stop the sinaas chinam, stop the hate!
Mizrachistin, and sometimes the more they know the more they understand about what is actually part of Judaism and what is part of controlling the masses.
This is not a case of pikuach nefesh and there is no reason to bend the halacha especially if it gives in to someone who just wanted to create a ‘dilemma’ for religious soldiers.
The singing is not needed so why cause division. Making or allowing women to sing an going against Halacha is just to cause division. It is not needed to do service in the army so why fight for it. It is just to cause we will show them
The fact is womans singing is not a requirement of military duty and indoctrination is bad
2nd dati’im are growing numbers of officer cadets I beileve 30% now a precedent should be made that the army should respect religious sensitivities and not that the Torah be subservient to indoctrination
There is no reason to promote hatred amongst Jews. The Hesder Rabbis must be doing something right if their soldiers had the Yirat Shamayim to walk out and defy orders.
I suppose using earplugs would still be assur. still chillul Hashem.
The poster who calls himself “torahumada” has already publicly proclaimed his mistaken understanding that halacha is nothing when there is “dina dimalchusa”. This is just an extension of such perverted thinking.
Obviously even those who would be matir erva and would forget the three avairos chamuros, had to concede there is an issue here and thus were seeking a compromise.
Perhaps it is because those are not the gedolim amaongst the bunch, but rather those who are worried about losing their standing with IDF.
Even rhe rabidly anti religious ynet allowed an oped piece that saw that there was no reason to force religious soldiers to attend such functions. (And I pretty sure that there is underlying disingenuous reason why they allowed such an article).